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Update to Windows 10, good idea?

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I know I would need to do it eventually, but given my windows 7 and all the addons run nicely (UT2, PMDG, P3D, the old good FSX for installing addons, and all the airports), I hesitate everytime when I almost pull the trigger. I wonder if I simply press the windows update button would do the magic? Or should I expect to clean install every addons afterward? The thing I am worrying the most is old programs like UT2 won't work in W10. Or should I tell myself "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"?

 

my system: 3770k OC to 4.7Ghz, SLI 2x970

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I'm running W10 but I only did it because of a new machine. It's fine but I doubt there is any point to upgrade (there is no performance improvements that I have heard of) unless you either are changing the hardware out or there is some software that runs best on W10 like a future hypothetical DX12 simulation which doesn't exist yet. You might also want to do it for other reasons that you use your PC for.

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On Windows 10 Pro x64 here and everything runs as it should. I have yet to find any software that worked on 7 but doesn't on 10. I went from 7 to 10,initially, with an update but once I was comfortable with the new OS, I clean installed 10 followed by the simulator (FSX at the time, now P3D) and all add-ons including Ultimate Traffic 2. All the add-ons you mentioned work perfectly and as stated by 'glider1' above, there aren't any performance benefits of moving to 10; not that I can tell anyway.

 

I'm sure everything would work just as well if you decided to click that update button so a clean install isn't mandated; it's personal preference as far as I am aware.

 

My system: i7 4790K OC 4.6GHz, Asus Strix GTX970

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I am no expert but from what I have heard, a clean W10 install is ok as the registry is clean and built up from the start.

Running the upgrade tool will give you W10 but it may mess up the registry with all the trouble that comes with that. Especially with a complex set of software like FSX and its add-ons.

 

I have one older machine upgraded and it now is stuck on update KB3140768, as more people have encountered.

That is my lesson to keep W8 for now. On a new machine it will be W10.

 

Menno

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There's already a lot of threads discussing this issue. Use the search forum feature.

 

My advice: If it works, don't fix it.

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That is the only problem I see right now, "getting stuck on an update". I would wait as long as possible to  upgrade, maybe the will come up with the right way to upgrade.

 

I like 10 and have not problems running programs from 7, only niggle is that I spend as much time watching my machine try to do a cumulative update as I do tweaking and playing with P3D. That part is very frustrating. (My wife's machine was a clean install and her machine causes no problems whatsoever with updates) 

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the problem with 10 is the updates which you cannot control and they use processor and memory  which makes fsim very jerky for up to an hour ormore, plus now you will get adverts which you likewise cannot control

if windows 7 aint broke my advice is there is no advantage of going to 10

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the problem with 10 is the updates which you cannot control and they use processor and memory which makes fsim very jerky for up to an hour ormore, plus now you will get adverts which you likewise cannot control

 

Not sure where you got that information from but I haven't seen any degradation in performance while Windows installs updates in the background. As for controlling said updates, I believe you can't control them if you're on the most basic version of Windows 10. For Windows 10 Pro and above, I do have the option to defer updates. Not entirely sure what you mean by uncontrollable adverts either as I've yet to come across any on my system.

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Some people have had problems with W10 and have had to go back to W7. For that reason, I am sticking with W7. It isn't broken, so I'm not fixing it till it breaks.   

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10 will give me no benefit over 7 for FSX so I won't be changing. Having control over updates is important so another reason to stay with 7.

 

If it wasn't free a lot of people wouldn't bother. I've also 'hidden' the 10 'advert' updates so don't get nagged or have anything downloaded behind the scenes.

 

I suspect Microsoft will continue to offer it foc after 29 July.

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the problem with 10 is the updates which you cannot control and they use processor and memory  which makes fsim very jerky for up to an hour ormore, plus now you will get adverts which you likewise cannot control

if windows 7 aint broke my advice is there is no advantage of going to 10

 

You can set your internet connection to "metered", which will postpone all updates until you decide to download them.

 

 

@FlyCathay:

 

I'm running P3D on a clean and fresh Windows 10 Pro here and it runs great. I'd never go for an upgrade which skips one major version altogether. Too many variables and unknowns. If possible, do a clean install in dual-boot to see that your hardware and important software are working as expected. Then eventually kill Windows 7 and free up space. (This of course requires having a suitable partition layout or several disks; otherwise that can be messy)

 

Run whatever works for you. If you're happy with Windows 7 and have no other reasons to upgrade, stick with it. P3D certainly won't require Windows 10 any time soon to run properly. Can as well wait until your next major hardware upgrade.

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10 will give me no benefit over 7 for FSX so I won't be changing. Having control over updates is important so another reason to stay with 7.

 

If it wasn't free a lot of people wouldn't bother. I've also 'hidden' the 10 'advert' updates so don't get nagged or have anything downloaded behind the scenes.

 

I suspect Microsoft will continue to offer it foc after 29 July.

Hi Ray:

 

How do you know which are the 'advert' updates and how do you hide them?  Do you have to read thru each update before you install?  I already have the "GWX" icon in my system tray and have had some popups bugging me to install W-10.  Hoping I can shut this off before it is too late. 

 

I will probably get W10 later when, hopefully, things are sorted out.

 

Airbus

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Hi Ray:

 

How do you know which are the 'advert' updates and how do you hide them?  Do you have to read thru each update before you install?  I already have the "GWX" icon in my system tray and have had some popups bugging me to install W-10.  Hoping I can shut this off before it is too late. 

 

I will probably get W10 later when, hopefully, things are sorted out.

 

Airbus

 

Download the GWX control panel and install it. It will find any update from Windows 10 and block it as long as you want. You can then turn your normal windows updates back on.   http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

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I used GWX Control Panel on my P3D box.....it will stay Win7 until hell freezes over.

 

I have Win10 on 2 laptops....it's ok.  I turned off all the "spyware" and there are apps

to shut down the telemetry to the mothership. :-)

 

CK

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If it works work it !!, When was the last time You sent Your Car to the Mechanic because it was running so Well ??. I understand that part of the enjoyment of this Hobby is Installation and Change. and Update, But once You have it there, Enjoy IT !!, It won't be long before You Loose a hard drive, or Blow a mother board, then would be the time to change things around. Sort of like Everybody  jumps up and down and cheers whenever a golfer makes a hole in one ?? Isn't that what they are trying to do every time they hit the golf ball ?? Johnman B)

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Hi Ray:

 

How do you know which are the 'advert' updates and how do you hide them?  Do you have to read thru each update before you install?  I already have the "GWX" icon in my system tray and have had some popups bugging me to install W-10.  Hoping I can shut this off before it is too late. 

 

I will probably get W10 later when, hopefully, things are sorted out.

 

Airbus

 

Hi Airbus,

 

I don't use the utility mentioned above. The W10 adverts are always in Windows Updates, not security updates.

 

If you highlight a windows update entry over to the right there is a 'More Information' option. Clicking that will take you to Microsoft where it will describe the update. Anything with Windows 10 in it is the key. You can then right-click the entry and choose hide.

 

It will return every couple of months but it's not too much hassle to hide them again.

 

NickN listed all the KB articles some time ago but I can't find the link.

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Looking through my hidden updates these are the KB numbers:-

 

2952664

3021917

3035583

3068708

3102429 (optional)

3118401

3123862

 

All are recommended except the one indicated. They may not all relate to 10 but nearly all will. You should now be able to remove those and the ads for 10 will disappear. Keep on top of things though. Microsoft don't give up easily!

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Thanks all for the comments. I guess I will restrain myself from clicking the update button and wait until I update my CPU and motherboard.

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I really feel for people avoiding Windows 10; seems like quite a task.

 

I already use Windows 10 (full purchase price unfortunately. New build.).

I've had no issues with it but I do understand everybody has a different setup so other issues may occur.

 

If you get it for free just try it, you can always revert back. I have no option so I just had to cross my fingers and toes and hope for the best.

 

Good luck with whatever you choose.

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i recently upgraded from win10 to win 7. ;)

 

I value my privacy.

 

For those that do have 10 there is a program called shutup10 to shut down all if not most of the invasive privacy intrusions ina very user friendly way.

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Any body using the LEVEL-D 767 with Windows 10? That's the only addon I've had a problem with.  PMDG, A2A runs  fine.

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My experience with Prepar3D within Win 10 was not too bad with the exception of erratic to unusable opperation of some GoFlight Modules, most notably the Gf-166 modules. Despite applying all known fixes supplied by Rob A and Steve from Pollypot Software, I was never able to obtain reliable operation of some of these devices...Extremely frustrating after a Win 10 Pro clean install and an extensive Prepar3D addon and aircraft install.

 

Now after a Win 10 delete and a clean reinstall of Win 7, along with all of the many P3D addons, all is well with P3Dv3 and GoFlight. I am one happy camper again and will stay with Win 7 till the day I die! .......Age 81 and counting......Hopefully, Win 7 will out live me!

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If I go back to Windows 7 is there danger of not being kept up to date on security updates? What other sacrifice might there be down the road with not updating Windows?

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If I go back to Windows 7 is there danger of not being kept up to date on security updates? What other sacrifice might there be down the road with not updating Windows?

Security updates are still being offered in Windows Update for Windows 7.  They will be until they announce the OS will no longer be supported, about 5 years after a new OS.  Windows 10 is free until July 29th.  Not sure how much afterwards but between $100 and $200.  Of course you can still continue to use Windows 7.

 

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Hi Airbus,

 

I don't use the utility mentioned above. The W10 adverts are always in Windows Updates, not security updates.

 

If you highlight a windows update entry over to the right there is a 'More Information' option. Clicking that will take you to Microsoft where it will describe the update. Anything with Windows 10 in it is the key. You can then right-click the entry and choose hide.

 

It will return every couple of months but it's not too much hassle to hide them again.

 

NickN listed all the KB articles some time ago but I can't find the link.

 

It's even less of a hassle to download GWX, and you will never see W10 KB  again and you can turn auto updates on with no fear of the W 10 download option  popping up again. 

I really feel for people avoiding Windows 10; seems like quite a task.

 

I already use Windows 10 (full purchase price unfortunately. New build.).

I've had no issues with it but I do understand everybody has a different setup so other issues may occur.

 

If you get it for free just try it, you can always revert back. I have no option so I just had to cross my fingers and toes and hope for the best.

 

Good luck with whatever you choose.

 

Some people have tried the free upgrade, and it screwed up, and they tried the roll back and that didn't work and they wound up having to wipe their hard drive and reinstall windows and everything else. Talk about a self created nightmare. 

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