it tells me that they do NOT have a handle on this...and are grasping at straws, with customers beta testing the solutions....

 

Agree with that Mitch.  So far my beta testing has failed miserably.  At least they successfully got the migration thing working properly as before the latest Orbx Library file, Northern and Southern California would not migrate properly and the trouble shooter said I have many files still requiring migration and I was missing 4 files.  That's fixed but now I have texture and rendering issues and just do not have the time to beta test anymore.  So it is all off my system for a while.

 

Appreciate your comments.

Same here.  Had no problems with the FTX/Orbx stuff until the unified thing.  ... What a mess!

 

The weeks of frustration and confusion caused by malfunction within the software likely has a serious impact on present sales and could possibly limit future confidence of customers during a time of great change, platform insecurity and market fragmentation within the hobby. Bad timing for bad stuff to happen, bigtime!

 

However, it is a terrible thing to stand quietly by and watch anyone hurl insults and innuendo at captured customers who have spent thousands of dollars buying their products. Such contempt is rare in any circles, let alone one that relies completely upon the momentum of good will from this community.

 

Notwithstanding political examples, bluster, blunder and bullying usually only go so far before it backfires. Bad form, bad manners and callous disregard of the needs and feelings of customers is a really bad idea, always. Adding insult to injury can cause rapid loss of supporters and allies within and without.

 

Still, I hope things work out somehow to my own and everyone's satisfaction.

 

In any case, I appreciate AVSIM continuing to make room for all that need help or express themselves. Well done Jim and moderators! Golfing (or walking the dog) and blood pressure medication helps to calm things down.

 

Kind regards,

How they can be expected to troubleshoot each individual's problems with the new lookup system, I think, is an impossible task.

 

 

It is. It is also not the point at all.

 

I don't expect Orbx to fix my specific setup.

(In fact I keep wondering if some of the migration-induced problems are fixable at all, technically, without dumping the whole "unified" idea. But what do I know...)

 

I would however insist that Orbx make available some more options to deal with the problem, options which could easily be offered.

 

At the moment the way forward is blocked by the maxim "Get unified or you're out" (with regard to future products and support).

OK, Orbx have of course the right to define their business strategy as they see fit.

 

But if you have been migrated already, and landed in a mess, the way back (to the pre-migration status, with the products you have already purchased) is also blocked, because files (libraries, FTX Central) from earlier versions are no longer available, and instructions are missing how to get cleanly out of the post-migration mess (if you are in any), and how to go back to the earlier state. (We can't figure it out ourselves as we don't know what exactly the migration has been doing behind the scenes, with or without success.)

 

Both of these necessities (access to the earlier files, and the guidelines) could be easily made available, at practically no extra cost to Orbx, as far as I can see.

 

We just want to have the option of rolling back if we so choose, that's all. Surely that can't be so hard?

 

And yes, as things stand it would mean exclusion from all future Orbx products, which make the "unified" framework compulsory. But to accept that or not is then our (the customers') right to define our business strategy, so it's not a problem either.

It is. It is also not the point at all.

 

I don't expect Orbx to fix my specific setup.

(In fact I keep wondering if some of the migration-induced problems are fixable at all, technically, without dumping the whole "unified" idea. But what do I know...)

 

I would however insist that Orbx make available some more options to deal with the problem, options which could easily be offered.

 

At the moment the way forward is blocked by the maxim "Get unified or you're out" (with regard to future products and support).

OK, Orbx have of course the right to define their business strategy as they see fit.

 

But if you have been migrated already, and landed in a mess, the way back (to the pre-migration status, with the products you have already purchased) is also blocked, because files (libraries, FTX Central) from earlier versions are no longer available, and instructions are missing how to get cleanly out of the post-migration mess (if you are in any), and how to go back to the earlier state. (We can't figure it out ourselves as we don't know what exactly the migration has been doing behind the scenes, with or without success.)

 

Both of these necessities (access to the earlier files, and the guidelines) could be easily made available, at practically no extra cost to Orbx, as far as I can see.

 

We just want to have the option of rolling back if we so choose, that's all. Surely that can't be so hard?

 

And yes, as things stand it would mean exclusion from all future Orbx products, which make the "unified" framework compulsory. But to accept that or not is then our (the customers') right to define our business strategy, so it's not a problem either.

Totally, totally, well stated....and actually, the 'end-statement'.

 

I already made my relational decision with Orbx.  If I do NOT have a choice of either moving forward with unification, or decide for a pre-unification hold...and NOT be able to enjoy my much anticipated North America OpenLC...then I am done.  What Orbx I have, I will certainly enjoy. What Orbx I might have had, will not be of any further concern.  This whole unification, could be smoke and mirrors for a lock down of their culture and piracy losses.  Fine.  It doesn't work. It eats your sims....and spits out something mishmashed and disjointed.

 

They need to allow present customers, the RIGHT to roll-back to a state that all their historic purchases worked well, in the change-up-required Regional sandbox, of the pre-migratory Central software.  I always keep the one copy prior to any new Orbx (and anybody else...) software, libs, etc.  A system back-up, before any 'new' software update is always a good strategy to proof yourself, if things go south, as Orbx's migration of files in a unified lock-down, has....

 

Cheers,

Sorry to hear that it still seems not to work properly for some. I had severe blurries and I did a reinstall (copy over) of all ORBX regions, Global and Vector. I then applied the latest libraries and haven't see any problem since. Did not force another migration though.  

Sorry to hear that it still seems not to work properly for some. I had severe blurries and I did a reinstall (copy over) of all ORBX regions, Global and Vector. I then applied the latest libraries and haven't see any problem since. Did not force another migration though.  

Hans, if you did not force a migration, then the new files embedded in the latest library were not read, and acted upon.  Check with Ben, over at the Central Forum, and see if you actually have whatever changes were put in place in the new lib migration files...at all. He instructed that you needed to use the force migration in the latest Central software, to in fact, have the new files acted upon and written into your folders, by use of the latest Lib's....

Hans, if you did not force a migration, then the new files embedded in the latest library were not read, and acted upon.  Check with Ben, over at the Central Forum, and see if you actually have whatever changes were put in place in the new lib migration files...at all. He instructed that you needed to use the force migration in the latest Central software, to in fact, have the new files acted upon and written into your folders, by use of the latest Lib's....

Mitch, that's interesting. So basically what you are saying is that I need to run a forced migration to see whether it works although ORBX says that you only have to do this if the earlier migration failed? I am happy to do that. If it fails I'll reinstall again. You get used to this with this platform, lol. 

@ Zoran  Your snide comment notwithstanding, I'm not an employee of Orbx, nor am I related to anyone on the staff.  Your guess is as good as mine why a rollback solution cannot be suggested by the powers that be.

@hjsmuc,  You would need to run the migration again only if the Migrationtroubleshooter indicates that certain sceneries have missing files, notated in red.  If all your stuff is notated in green, then you are good-to-go.

I think a rollback is a reasonable request for those who want it.  It's been suggested that a complete uninstall of the Orbx folder, a reinstall of same, and an install of the updated Libs with the option not to migrate is a possible solution.

This sure makes me wonder how the switch to the "Orbx Store" later this year is going to go ha!

 

Personally, I haven't noticed any problems with the unified setup, but maybe I just haven't noticed them or flown in those areas yet.  Sorry for those still struggling with this.

Mitch, that's interesting. So basically what you are saying is that I need to run a forced migration to see whether it works although ORBX says that you only have to do this if the earlier migration failed? I am happy to do that. If it fails I'll reinstall again. You get used to this with this platform, lol. 

The problem, was that for some, (documented on the Central Forum), even though they showed green...not red...they did not have a good migration, but it was corrupted somewhere along the line.  Still texture that would blur within a time, land-class that was out of whack, etc.

 

 Ben suggested that they make sure they got a good read-in from the new lib embedded by using the trouble shoot force migration sub routine once more. If you feel that all is good, then sure, don't play with it anymore, and enjoy. ))

 

I'd contact Ben, over at Orbx, to sort of get it right from the horses's mouth, regarding any questions you might have, or did not think yet to ask.  It sure can't hurt. Cheers!

How many times in a single lifetime is a person expected to reinstall-reinstall-reinstall the same programs over and over again?

 

FS9 I luv ya!

 

Noel

How many times in a single lifetime is a person expected to reinstall-reinstall-reinstall the same programs over and over again?

 

FS9 I luv ya!

 

Noel

So you aren't going to try ORBX's solution, even though you ranted on their forum and here endlessly about their lack of responsiveness?

No I'm not Jay.  FSX/Orbx and I have parted company.  And I didn't rant on their forum.  Not even the post that got me banned was a criticism of Orbx since the problem was most likely my system because nobody else reported the same thing.  And I still don't know what it was I said that ticked them off.  I just said I didn't have the expertise to fix the problem myself so I was going back to FS9.  I did have a line in there where I said was dumping Bambi Glamorpuss for Doris Kowalski in the mail room because she didn't get a headache every time I wanted to fly.  That might have done it.  But I said things like that a lot over there for years with no repercussions at all.

 

My ranting here wasn't about the product, it was about getting exiled because I didn't know what I was getting banned for.

 

When my exile is over I will posting one last post on the Orbx forum to politely say goodbye to my friends over there.

 

Noel

I am having issues around KLAX to get the textures to render north of KLAS and KBUR is totally elevated. I have Northern and Southern California and the migration went well with no missing files but the area around KLAX is suddenly out of whack even though I have inserted FTX below FSDT KLAX and have made the appropriate compatibility

Jim Thought I read somewhere on the ftx forum is to uninstall the the area your having issues completely making sure you remove any left over folders etc and do a reinstall of it  seems  to fix  the issues  for  some  users anyway

Heres a thought  wonder how many users  that are having  issues have  got mods and so manny tweaks in there cfg that  could be  causing the issues.  Just going  by my pc   got no issues with any addons or  scenery that i  have installed (lots)and  i havnt  got  any mods at  all no tweaks too my fsx.cfg  just the 2 fixes  being  the highmenfix  and  the wideaspect  view other  than these  2  its  the  default  fsx.cfg

I am so fed up. I upgraded to Central V2 because I had downloaded HD Trees and that was part of the process. Central V2 now says that the OpenLC Europe I paid for and installed is no longer there. When I fly in Europe it does appear to be using OpenLC Europe but the textures are so slow to load and features pop up eventually where there was no such problem before. I have not downloaded the new Library files because quite frankly I am worried what it is going to do to FSX.

 

I have Australia SP4 installed and that works well so I guess I have to accept that I can no longer use Europe or any future new releases.

 

That is disappointing and even more disappointing is the attitude of the Orbx team. Unbelievable and perhaps a turning point for the fortunes of this company that used to have such committed followers, me included.

 

Might I also say how annoying it is to have to trawl through multiple forums to find out what is going on.