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Hello all,

 

I know you have probably gotten questions or concerns regarding the price for the NGX in P3D. I'm just wondering if for the price, is the NGX for P3D worth it?

 

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Tom Farran

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The folks who have it think so. Note that the price is not subject to discussion in this forum.

 

David Jones

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I'm just wondering if for the price, is the NGX for P3D worth it?

 

A purchase decision is always a personal decision.  Everyone has an opinion on the value of an item in regard to its price, but it boils down to what the economists call utility.  An identical item will have a different utility to different people, if you really like flight simulation and your platform of choice is going to be P3D and your budget will allow it then you might consider the price worth it.  If your time with a flight simulator is limited to a few hours a month and your budget is very tight then you may not consider it worthwhile.

 

If your question is if the product is of a high quality with excellent customer support then the answer is an unequivocal yes.

 

Don't let anybody make purchase decisions of anything for you...., unless you are married.

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Agree with Mr. Downs. If you pay $100 for the add-on and use it for 100 hours that's $1 per hour. What a bargain!

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Hello all,

I know you have probably gotten questions or concerns regarding the price for the NGX in P3D. I'm just wondering if for the price, is the NGX for P3D worth it?

Thanks,

Tom Farran

If you fly the 737 for your job, then no its not worth it. If you dont fly the 737 and you have always wanted to, or know that you never will be able to, its worth every cent. Im being co.pletely honest with my answer. The NGX is the closest you will ever get to flying a real 737 without actually flying it or being in a level D simulator.

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"Is NGX for P3D worth it?"

My goodness an incredibly subjective question, I'm sure you'll get a lot of answers but given you're asking the question on the NGX forum, I'd venture to say you're only going to get positive answers.

I'd echo Dan's statements on Utility, but I also can't help wondering...if you have to ask the question then have you done the homework of researching this plane?

Before I purchased the PDMG NGX I read every single review I could google up on the Internet.  After reading them all, I was 100% sold.  I'd suggest reading these reviews too, as you may conclude, as I did, that there isn't anything out there with this level of system detail.  But details aren't everyone's bag- you'll have to ask yourself if you really plan on actually working your way through the tutorials, practicing ILS approaches, flying in various types of weather, learning the systems behind the aircraft, and operating the machine as it was designed.  Personally, I love all this stuff.

Cost wise, I've run up bar tabs that were larger and all I had to show for it was a headache the next day.

Lastly I'll add that I found the planes that came with Prepar3D to be sorely lacking in the documentation and systems modeling.  PDMG NSX added 10x value to Prepar3D if not more.

Mark Trainer
 

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When I switched to P3D, I missed the NGX with the -600/-700 add-on so much I was happy to buy it again. YMMV.

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I have flown the PMDG DC-6 (XP ), 777, and 737 thousands of combined hours (first FSX and now Prepar3D). I purchased both Boeing planes twice, once for each platform. The cost  is very low per hour if you are going to use it in this manner.   If you just want to fly a 737 once in a while, maybe not so much.  I would do it a again in a heartbeat.

 

Personally I can't wait for the 747 to be released so I can fly it again in Prepar3D.

 

YMMV.

 

Harold Finch

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Disagree with Matthew Kubanda.

 

The NGX is of immense value whether you're a professional/practitioner or not as there is sufficient fidelity to 'entertain' yourself to the extent of your competency level, beyond that level, you might learn/refresh your knowledge on something. Can't imagine why anyone might say otherwise.

 

You'll get a robust AFDS, a good FMCS, CDS, HGS... basically it works as close to the real aircraft in normal and non-normal scenario's, the latter being where PMDG products truely shine. All this in an affordable software package.

 

So if you wan to run a EFATO or any other non-normal, and want everything to fail/operate the way it should system-wise, get it. If you're a practitioner, you'll notice where systems don't operate like the real aircraft; these instances are few and far between and worth overlooking for the price.

 

P3D is imagined as the replacement platform for FSX, a vision slowly being realised. If you have the money for it, go to P3D. If you don't care about visuals too much, stay at camp FSX for the time being.

 

My only gripe about the NGX was that it is an old (spec-wise) aircraft. Old TCAS panel, Old Navigation Control Panel, not able to perform all RNAV spec's. A very short gripe list...

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Disagree with Matthew Kubanda.

 

The NGX is of immense value whether you're a professional/practitioner or not as there is sufficient fidelity to 'entertain' yourself to the extent of your competency level, beyond that level, you might learn/refresh your knowledge on something. Can't imagine why anyone might say otherwise.

 

You'll get a robust AFDS, a good FMCS, CDS, HGS... basically it works as close to the real aircraft in normal and non-normal scenario's, the latter being where PMDG products truely shine. All this in an affordable software package.

 

So if you wan to run a EFATO or any other non-normal, and want everything to fail/operate the way it should system-wise, get it. If you're a practitioner, you'll notice where systems don't operate like the real aircraft; these instances are few and far between and worth overlooking for the price.

 

P3D is imagined as the replacement platform for FSX, a vision slowly being realised. If you have the money for it, go to P3D. If you don't care about visuals too much, stay at camp FSX for the time being.

 

My only gripe about the NGX was that it is an old (spec-wise) aircraft. Old TCAS panel, Old Navigation Control Panel, not able to perform all RNAV spec's. A very short gripe list...

+1, absolutely amazing 737NG simulation.   You would be hard pressed to find any negativity about this aircraft in this forum.   I can only add that apart from the price it is also a question of hardware!   my GPU is just not up to scratch for P3D, so I am sticking with FSX :-).   Price for me would also not be a factor.   If the 737NG is your thing, go for it.   You cannot go wrong.

 

Also, even if you only fly ten hours a month, still worth it.   I battle to find time to do it these days, real world obligations keeping me occupied.   As a reviewer I have had the opportunity to do two reviews for PMDG aircraft in the past - finding a gripe somewhere is difficult to say the least lol!

 

Regards

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I had the 737 on FSX...didn't buy it for P3D but bought the 777 instead.  Okay, so here's my take.  The NGX is a really, really nice airplane, lots of things fully simulated, very stable (if you keep your VAS under control).  Flight model is easy to hand fly.  I'd rather have an airplane like this one that 50 of the airplanes that are just barely systems simulated.  Having bought it on FSX and having to repurchase at a higher price, I won't.  The 777 is sufficient.

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Disagree with Matthew Kubanda.

The NGX is of immense value whether you're a professional/practitioner or not as there is sufficient fidelity to 'entertain' yourself to the extent of your competency level, beyond that level, you might learn/refresh your knowledge on something. Can't imagine why anyone might say otherwise.

You'll get a robust AFDS, a good FMCS, CDS, HGS... basically it works as close to the real aircraft in normal and non-normal scenario's, the latter being where PMDG products truely shine. All this in an affordable software package.

So if you wan to run a EFATO or any other non-normal, and want everything to fail/operate the way it should system-wise, get it. If you're a practitioner, you'll notice where systems don't operate like the real aircraft; these instances are few and far between and worth overlooking for the price.

P3D is imagined as the replacement platform for FSX, a vision slowly being realised. If you have the money for it, go to P3D. If you don't care about visuals too much, stay at camp FSX for the time being.

My only gripe about the NGX was that it is an old (spec-wise) aircraft. Old TCAS panel, Old Navigation Control Panel, not able to perform all RNAV spec's. A very short gripe list...

you completely missed my point.

 

I was comparing the fidelity of the airplane to the real one. If you fly the real plane, then you already are as close to the real thing because you are actually flying the real thing. If you arent a 737 pilot, then the NGX will be the closest thing to actually flying it.

 

I was never saying that someone who currently flies the 737 couldnt find value in the NGX.

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This what put's me off moving from FSX as the cost involved to move to P3D is over £300!

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I bought a new computer system and did not want to load FSX on it.. I went with P3D and was very surprised how smooth it was to get up and running with my required add-ons.... I bought the PMDG 777 and the PMDG 737NGX.. Again :) I added the newest active sky.. All is great and smooth !! If you buy a new system this is the way to go IMO.. 

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you completely missed my point.

I was comparing the fidelity of the airplane to the real one. If you fly the real plane, then you already are as close to the real thing because you are actually flying the real thing. If you arent a 737 pilot, then the NGX will be the closest thing to actually flying it.

I was never saying that someone who currently flies the 737 couldnt find value in the NGX.

To me, it reads as it is written. You wrote, "If you fly the 737 for your job, then no its not worth it." To paraphrase, it basically says if you fly the real deal, don't buy it.

 

Given your post was amongst the first 10 posts, and that you've identified yourself as a practitioner (Mech) which gives a degree of credibility to what you post; I was concerned potential customers might get the wrong impression and I chose to refute your post.

 

To summarise, your point might've intended to go one way, but reads the other way!

 

Regards

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I was happy to purchase the NGX (all variants) AND the 777 too, to migrate to P3D. I use FSX only for MD-11 and the FSLabs A320.

Since I had 7 good years with FSX and the NGX, I felt it was worth the price again.(and yes, that is a smile on my face).

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To be honest, I absolutely love the NGX. I use it for FSX but as mentioned before, having to pay full price for a P3D version makes you think twice as to whether you REALLY want it for P3D. I guess eventually I might, but it would have been more reasonable to pay a price difference if you already own the FSX version.

 

If this is the first time you are purchasing the NGX for P3D, then the price shouldn't be a problem and I would say its totally worth it.

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I purchased the NGX and T7 straight for P3D as it quickly became my primary sim. But I can see the concern if one already has it for FSX, the T7 in particular is a substantial reinvestment in that case.

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I moved from FSX to P3D several months ago and I'm very happy with it. I still fly the NGX and T7 in FSX but I find I'm using them less and less. I'm sure I will eventually buy them for P3D but not until I'm ready to completely cut the cord on FSX. Even then I will have to space out the purchases because of the cost.

 

Richard

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I suppose it depends what you mean by your question. If you asking is the p3D version somehow better or have more features than fsx then no, the only reason to buy the NGX for P3D is either you use p3D, or about to use it as your only and primary sim, or you never owned the NGX before and are starting with p3D.

 

In sense of a product for fsx or p3D then yes it's worth it, in fact I'd buy this over the 777, far more of a pilots aircraft, the 777 is a big flying computer, that requires next to no input from the pilot.

 

I do own all PMDG a/c and where available I do have the p3D versions, but actually my use of p3D is still limited at present as, I don't still really see the step forward, and a lot of the items I use, scenery and other aircraft, have yet to have a good compbatible version for p3D.

 

Until p3D jumps to 64bit, in some ways I sometimes doubt the investment in paying twice for something is really worth it. Flying the NGX in p3D vs fsx is in some cases is not as good, because some sceneries, Addons etc not available or work well in p3D. The aircraft itself offers nothing in addition(v3 might do) as a p3D version.

 

The future still somewhat hazy I'd say, x-plane version 11 is arriving, and actually starting to look quite interesting, easier for 3rd party investment and should it get that would destroy both fsx and p3D. If p3D can accelerate their development then could be a challenger, but actually to do that they will lose the advantage they have now over X plane by breaking backward compatibility with older fsx addons(both a good and bad thing). While some developers are charging twice for products they actually damaging the p3D support, if a p3D add on and the sim actually offered something more then it would be justified, but all in reality it's a licensing difference and lucrative opportunity- - a 3rd sim could be hitting the market and that will really mix things up.

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