SierraHotel

Critics - I detest them!

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Have you noticed, critics always have the loudest voices, but the smallest brains! Oh, most of them are great with the pen, and always use the heading constructive criticism before spuing their vitriolic comments and all but destroying the artist or filmmaker in the process. I'm pretty sure God looks at these poor excuses for human beings and eventually consigns them to the failed bin (along with politicians).Which brings me neatly to main thrust of this comment, which is....I give up!

I have been a member of this community for a few years now, and in to simulations since the advent of the Sinclair Spectrum, I have seen simulators go from a small dot on a blue or green background to the amazing PMDG 747 taking off from Flightbeams LAX in all it's glory and felt my heart swell with pride and thanks to all those talented people who allowed us to share their dream and brought us to this point in our amazing hobby. And it's also with sadness that today I will be saying goodbye to this once great community. The critics have won! I can no longer sit and watch whilst they tear down the dreams and hard work of those brilliant people that have made 64bit simulation a reality. So goodbye and thank you to all those that lent a helping hand.

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Sad to see you go, Mike. Yes, we do enjoy this hobby of ours. Sometimes, on the forums, comments are often posted without much thought, such is the spped of modern technology now-days, & most of us really appreciate the output of the different sim vendors, as well as that from both freeware & payware developers, mostly without any thanks from the community.

Free speech is a right that we have & exercise, subject to the t's & c's of this site, & we thank the moderators for keeping us in line (mostly :wink:)

So, critics also, within reason, sometimes trolling, also have a right to have a voice (subject to t's & c's of course)

 

Cheers,

Robin 

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1 hour ago, SierraHotel said:

spuing

Pity you cannot spell correctly!

Bye.

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Avsim can be brutal and aggressive at times, way more than other forums. Take digital combat world for example, a study sim platform for virtual fighter pilots where you might imagine a forum that would be full of aggressive alpha male types but surprise surprise avsim kills it In that department! And 90% of the time is just straight and level flight, hardly something to crow about lol 

No need to leave. Just create an ignore list..😁

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Without critics our simulators would still be dots an a screen. Its critics that drive developers forward, pushing to correct problems and come out with new ideas. 

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So let me get this straight......

The OP is very critical..... of critics? :huh:

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Please feel free to demonstrate precisely how the "tearing down" is taking effect. While you're at it, please provide a history of those individuals/entities who have been destroyed by criticism, and also the evidence for correlation you perceive between criticism and brain size.

You might also find it useful to re-read your own post and see how it ironically resembles the very thing you bemoan, and which you claim is your reason for leaving, although I find that hard to believe.

To be honest, in its failure to even allude to varying degrees and types of criticism, and for other reasons, your post doesn't strike me as having been written by someone old enough to have even heard of a ZX Spectrum. I never owned one because I hated the rubber keys. I guess that makes me a small-brained critic who wanted to tear down Sinclair. I was quite happy with my Commodore 64, though...

It might also help your sense of perspective to consider that advances, be they social or technological, come from those who are dissatisfied with the status quo. The people who say "stop complaining, this is as good as it's going to get", are the enemies of progress, not the promoters of it.

Finally, to cheer you up, here is some music which will surely meet with your approval...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Folks,

While I haven't built a simulator or a PMDG level project - I actually appreciate criticism of my work - as it might point out something I could do better... Granted - everyone isn't always as polite or as tactful as they could be - but most are... I find critical comments more useful than the requisite "nice job" - "way to go" - kind of comments... I appreciate both for what they are...

One thing you need to keep in mind is the eclectic mix of people that post here... We run the full gamut - young kids just starting out to guys older than dirt from all walks of life... I'm often amused at some the arguments - for all you know - you could be arguing with a 13 year old kid playing on his parents PC... You need to take everything with a grain of salt... If it's that upsetting - perhaps you are correct and the public forum isn't a good fit... Hope whatever you choose works for you...

Regards,

Scott  

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Not to forget, we are actually here because we want to be entertained (apologies to the P3D guys & gals).

As Scott has said, we are a bunch of various folk. Some embrace PMDG, others like the 'normal' stuff, & others just like to mess around with the low's & slow's.

Some have even been known to drive a car & pilot a ship as well. We are all in the same 'boat' as it were.. 

None of us are lesser simmers just because we do not follow the numbers, & we all have different views & voices, & we are entitled to voice them, academically speaking! ( tongue in cheek! :biggrin:) Some of the youngsters make more sense & are less critical than us oldies!

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1 hour ago, HiFlyer said:

So let me get this straight......

The OP is very critical..... of critics? :huh:

 

:blink:

I hope the mods will not be critical of you because you are being critical of the OP who is critical of the critics?

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5 minutes ago, Wobbie said:

 

:blink:

I hope the mods will not be critical of you because you are being critical of the OP who is critical of the critics?

"Nested" criticism!  (To borrow an I.T. term...) :biggrin:

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Sorry Paul!

I hope the mods will not be (critical of you (because you are being (critical of the OP who is)) critical of the critics)?

I hope the mods will not be critical of you ((because I was critical of you)(because you are being critical of the OP who is critical of the critics)  :-) ?

I can go on (for days like this) (but I've run out of)'s)

 

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4 hours ago, Venturi said:

No need to leave. Just create an ignore list..

+1

Cheers, Ed

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While I've chosen not to leave the forums, I, too, have become more of a bystander, given that many discussions are becoming frivolous and, in some case, childish.

I, too, have grown with the hobby, remembering the time when anything was better than nothing. We welcomed new sims and products and saw only the potential.

Now, it's instant gratification. I get the sense that some users don't know the difference between a $50 meal,

(a brief input and output) and a sim or a product( years in the making with little reward).

I recently gave my praises to TFDI, a newcomer in terms of aircrafts, and while their "early attempt" was not a good one, their perseverance and professionalism  has resulted in one of the best b717 in the sim world--- I place it right up with PMDG and FSLABS.

However, it took some 6 months of patience and respect to see them come through. I believe that what kept them going was our support and constructive feedback--not the loud bashing and childish behavior. I paid on day one, and from their tone and conduct, I quickly trusted them that they would come through. They asked for constructive feedback, and they got it. Now, this is a good experience for me and for them.

 

Proper tone is everything if we are to see this hobby  grow. There's nothing wrong with 3 tool companies that make electric drills. We purchase them according to price and perceived value.

That we should be faced with 4 brand new sims is a dream come true. If we nurture these 4, we'll see some healthy competition as well as a good market for some of third party developers. Our benefit? Low prices and great features.

Such comments as " if this feature is not in, I am out" doesn't tell me anything. It simply adds to the noise and wastes my time.

I prefer to read about the good and not so good in a product. For example, I applaud that xp11 now has very nice default map features. With a click I get my vfr, low and high charts---at no cost. I'd love to see this in the other sims as well.I like the rain effect in FSW, and it tells me that they,too, are working hard on features.

For me the sims, as with any hobby, is about discovery and surprise.

tony

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4 hours ago, Venturi said:

Avsim can be brutal and aggressive at times

 

 

4 hours ago, vc10man said:

Pity you cannot spell correctly!

Bye.

@Venturi It seems you were proven correct by the prior post.   To dig so low as to point out petulant spelling mistakes, says more about the poster, than what they're posting about.  

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An amazing & very talented freeware developer, now departed from us, Garry J Smith, always said that our hobby is all about fact, Fiction & Fun!.

Very wise words. His contribution to our hobby is very much missed.

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Grow a thicker skin! You would never make it in a real Aviation job,don't

let the door hit you in the a#$............

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Jim, Rude.. Talk like that WILL get this chat closed!!

Play Nice!

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58 minutes ago, JYW said:

To dig so low as to point out petulant spelling mistakes, says more about the poster,

Aha, I see, so it's quite okay to come in here and lambast the critics while at the same time not projecting one's own views without flaws, spelling errors or no spelling errors?

 

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1 hour ago, JYW said:

 

@Venturi It seems you were proven correct by the prior post.   To dig so low as to point out petulant spelling mistakes, says more about the poster, than what they're posting about.  

100% agreed, Bill. Pointing out a bloody spelling error is about as petty as someone can get. I'd have more respect for the person if they actually tried to make a proper argument.

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People who don't like critics - I detest them!  How do you think we got pmdg, fslabs, ixeg, the new FFa320?  By pushing the boundaries and asking for more features!  If we never complained developers would have no reason to offer more features. 

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1 hour ago, BIGSKY said:

don't let the door hit you in the a#$............

Absolutely this!

I mean, really what is the point to this thread, i don't get it.  If the OP is unhappy, simply stop posting never look at the site again, or become a viewer, why does he feel the need to post that he is unhappy, is he trying to change everyone's view points, if so the argument "because i don't like it" is a really weak one.  As for the "Childish" comments often thrown around, that's entirely subjective on the part of the person replying, every bodies sense of humour is different.

What does the OP want, a forum filled with praise for everything, like some kind of DPRK Aviation forum?  If i buy a weak product i want to mention that it's a weak product, if i spend my hard earned money on a PMDG aircraft and the windows are 0.09mm different to the real aircraft i want to make that comment.  If the companies disagree with me, fine, let them post i am wrong, if they think i'm being ridiculous, then they will either ignore me or post i am being stupid, also fine; but let's not pretend that critical feedback is of no importance.

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I've been simming since FS2 on my Apple 2, and Avsim is a wonderful website and community, unless someone posts something that rubs the fur on the cat the wrong way.  There are a lot of people in here who are petty, rude, condescending and don't hesitate to make snide or snarky comments every chance they have, which is one reason that I haven't participated in the forums until recently, out of necessity.  That being said, when you need information, as long as someone who doesn't have an attitude of superiority replies, you can usually find answers or help, and many have gone out of their way to share their expertise and experiences with the community.  However, I have to agree with the OP that there are just too many jerks in here to make participating an overall enjoyable experience, and that's a real shame.

 

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The idea that criticism is never warranted is silly. If something is a half-assed or crappy, that attribute deserves to be pointed out, just as something praiseworthy deserves to be complimented, and I will do either of those things depending on the circumstances. At the very least it will save someone else from wasting their money.

So if I've bought some product which sucks and I can clearly demonstrate it sucks, I'm damn well gonna point out that failing, especially if they can't be arsed fixing it. I'm certainly not going to start heaping praise on something simply because criticism would hurt someone's feelings. Screw their feelings, they should fix that crappy product or try to do better.

Everyone I ever teach or have taught gets to fill out a form at the end of their course to say what they thought of it, and I make a point of telling them that i won't hover over them whilst they fill it out and that when they submit it, it goes to the software company so they can track the quality of their authorised course tutors and facilities, and that I cannot hit the 'back' button on the browser and read what they have said, so they can be completely honest in their comments. I do all that because i want them to be honest and that keeps me honest too, in striving to always present the best of courses and never have any days where I 'phone in' my efforts to teach people. Any criticism is welcome; it shows ways one can improve, and one should always strive to improve, so If my courses or teaching methods sucked, I'd be the first one who wanted to know about it, because I would want to do something about it ASAP.

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I haven't seen one of these posts in a while.  Look if your going to leave, then just leave. What are you looking for when you say I'm leaving? Attention? Wanting people to say "Please don't leave us"? 

 

I remember back in the day a certain panel designer was leaving almost every week because they got butt hurt with some criticism. He would announce that he's leaving. Then he'd be back. 

Who cares what people say. So what if somebody doesn't like something you produced. Did you do it for them or you did it for yourself? The only person that matters is you. If you did it for others then you will always end up where you are now. So I suggest to suck it up. Don't worry what people say and enjoy the hobby or what ever you like to do. 

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