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Just wanted to tell... well, anyone, because my wife is going to get annoyed really fast what with me going on and on and on... I know I'm speaking to the already converted here, but it's safe to say you have a new member among your ranks.

I took advantage of the 'Summer of Rift' sale and, after swearing for so long that I'd never be interested, ordered myself the Oculus Rift + Touch bundle. Took delivery of it yesterday, spent a bit of the evening setting it up and then a few hours playing with it.

My mind has been blown.

This thing is absolutely brilliant. I spent a loooooong time in the starter demo with the robot in the trailer, simply launching toy rockets and giggling like a child. One of my first downloads was Steam Labs and the part where you can stand on the mountain top and look all around and over the edge took my breath away. I'm not great with heights and looking down actually made my knees a little weak. I haven't tried out any full games yet, but everything I've done so far has really impressed me.

I can also see it's limitations - the resolution leaves a bit to be desired, and I may have to order up some of those prescription lens inserts since my glasses aren't really usable inside the headset - My left eye is quite near sighted and although the rift is surprisingly usable for me without glasses, my left does add a bit of blurriness that I suspect could be improved.

But limitations aside, I've quickly switched from a VR skeptic to a VR fan. The sense of immersion is incredible. I'm quite excited to load up some of my racing / driving games, perhaps dip back into Elite Dangerous or Subnautica, or give a try to some of the VR specific games available.

Anyhow... just wanted to share!

 

 

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Thanks for sharing and yes, VR really is a totally different game which you can't fully understand until you tried it for yourself.

The sensation of actual being there regardless of title rather than just watching the same title on a 2D display is nothing short of amazing!!

Keep enjoying your new toy :biggrin:

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I can relate to the wife thing Jimmy, my wife doesn't think its a big deal at all. apparently she can't see in 3D, although she didn't like the tyrannosaurus rex running over her in the dreamdeck  app.

Have you done a flight sim yet? X-Plane 11 is remarkable in VR. 

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No flight sims yet. Will be on my list, but my controls are all hard-mounted to a wood 'sim-pit' framework in a spot that won't allow for general standing VR use, so I'm going to have to think of a way around that.

Time for a new desk / simpit designed with VR in mind!

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18 hours ago, Jimmy RFR said:

No flight sims yet.

When you enter the cockpit in VR for the first time not be mention lift off in VR for the first time sitting inside the aircraft, now that is something for you to look forward to :biggrin: !!

I remember thinking to myself 'Oups, now I really need to make sure to get down there in one piece again since I'm now actually on the aircraft rather than watching a simulation of it on my 2D screen...' That was what it felt like.

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Mine also turned up yesterday.

Just as everyone else has stated - immersion incredible - resolution, just not there yet.

What I would recommend is 'Voice Attack' - it makes flying with Rift so much easier, especially as it has a built in microphone.

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TonyD you mentioned use of Voice Attack with the Rift.  Would you be willing to share the Voice Attach profile you use with the sim?  Are you using P3dV4?

I should receive my Rift this weekend and am really looking forward to using it with P3dV4.

Danny

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Not a Flight Sim, but Lone Echo really shows what is possible using VR. Also for shooters, Space Pirate Trainer is fantastic.

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@Danny

Still very much a work in progress, there are 258 defined controls for a standard keyboard - still wading through what I need (and can remember)

Also there are something like 1200 defined events from the SDK - some are really usefull (REFRESH_SCENERY)  and a lot are not.

If I can come up something that is acceptable I will post a link.

Tony

 

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lI bought the rift on day 1 and I can´t conceive flight simulation without VR anymore. Yesterday I was flying from Sicily to Reggio Calabria airport ( LICR) in my CJ2 and the view from the flightdeck of the strait of messina (Italy photoreal) while landing was simply breathtaking.

Sure the resolution is not there still, but just a matter of time, meanwhile I use Oculus Tray tool and put density 1.7 which turns up your resolution pretty significantly. For instance if the default pixel density is 1.6 you need to get real close to the gauges to read them, but in 1.7 I can read most of them from my seat (Still have to move closer to read some buttons though). Also, the 1.7 is very GPU demanding. On 1.7 I could program my FCM in VR, but found easier to do it 2D after the avionics are on. You can turn the pixel density up to 2.0 but probably you need a 1080ti for that and I`m on a 980ti.

I use voiceattack too as is a fantastic tool for VR (discovered that with Elite Dangerous).

After Parking my CJ2 I use the Avatar on first person (VR) for a final check and come on, the plane is there at its real size...no words for that.

One of the firsts flights I did on VR, was a short  LEBL (Barcelona) to LEPA (Mallorca) at night, and I remember, once I parked in Mallorca, to stay inside the flightdeck, cold and dark for almost 10 minutes trying to cope with what I lived. Really I´m not coming back to 2D ever.

 

Cheers

 

Carlos

 

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5 hours ago, TonyD said:

@Danny

Still very much a work in progress, there are 258 defined controls for a standard keyboard - still wading through what I need (and can remember)

Also there are something like 1200 defined events from the SDK - some are really usefull (REFRESH_SCENERY)  and a lot are not.

If I can come up something that is acceptable I will post a link.

Tony

 

Thanks, Tony.  I will start working it as well and will certainly share as the profile develops.  I fly mainly helos, so having the ability to control radios, switches, etc. by voice would be very important.

Danny

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Great to hear that you are enjoying VR. Just wait until you enter the cockpit in VR. Mind blowing to say the least. 

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It IS really spectacular but not to throw in a m0nkey wrench{ Support for problems is almost non-existent. Rift support forum especially. About the only help I've founn is here at AVSIM.

I wish you all a problem free Oculus flying experience.

happy flights

Neal Howard

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On 2017-07-26 at 9:26 AM, WebMaximus said:

When you enter the cockpit in VR for the first time not be mention lift off in VR for the first time sitting inside the aircraft, now that is something for you to look forward to :biggrin: !!

 

On 2017-07-27 at 11:46 PM, MikeT707 said:

Great to hear that you are enjoying VR. Just wait until you enter the cockpit in VR. Mind blowing to say the least. 

 

Decided to pickup Aerofly FS2 last night, so yep, now I've experienced my first flight(s)! The sense of immersion is quite wonderful for sure - it's amazing to simply look around while you're in the air. Being rather new to VR, I do find I have to be a bit careful in flight as I finding I'm a bit sensitive to motion sickness. I managed to fly a bit of aerobatics in the Pitts, but I sure can't do it for very long! The sense of speed is incredible too - hugging the ground in the F-15 is mind blowing. Oh.... and the sense of immersion that the HUD lends in both the F-15 and the F-18 is pretty amazing as well!

In regards to other games, Space Pirate Trainer is an absolute blast (pun intended) to play, and one of my other early favorites is Eleven Table Tennis, of all things!

 

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How on earth do you get enough frame rate to make VR flying not a total stutter slide show?

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1 hour ago, VeryBumpy said:

How on earth do you get enough frame rate to make VR flying not a total stutter slide show?

My solution is to use Aerofly, which is faster in VR than most other sims in 2D!

The other solution is to turn your settings down pretty much to minimum, with maybe a few tweaks, and accept things as they are for now. At least that's the way I see it after trying VR in all the other sims with the capability.

Well..... DCS is very nice too, as is War Thunder.

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1 hour ago, VeryBumpy said:

How on earth do you get enough frame rate to make VR flying not a total stutter slide show?

I get the same performance in VR and using the same settings as when using my 4K 2D screen thanks to the FlyInside software.

Zero stutters with the FPS rarely going lower than 90.

I've tried this both in P3D and XP.

You can read more about this and how FlyInside allows this kind of performance using some very clever technology I forgot the name of.

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28 minutes ago, WebMaximus said:

FlyInside allows this kind of performance using some very clever technology I forgot the name of.

Asynchronous timewarp, and it has a tough job, in this case.

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Maybe I missed what this case is but in my case flying the NGX in P3Dv3.2 and various aircraft in XP11 I've had zero performance issues as previously mentioned. 

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4 minutes ago, WebMaximus said:

Maybe I missed what this case is but in my case flying the NGX in P3Dv3.2 and various aircraft in XP11 I've had zero performance issues as previously mentioned. 

Even with a 1080ti, I got a pretty pedestrian experience with glitchs/artifacts in fsx/p3d as I turned my head, and Xplane was too horrible to mention. The fps was just too poor to be usable, even with just moderate settings. Ymmv.

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I'm sorry to hear that because I'm on a 980Ti and again with no issues so to me it seems something must have been messed up with your setup because I'm certainly not alone enjoying VR with great performance.

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37 minutes ago, WebMaximus said:

I'm sorry to hear that because I'm on a 980Ti and again with no issues so to me it seems something must have been messed up with your setup because I'm certainly not alone enjoying VR with great performance.

I think it depends on what each user is willing to lose and or put up with to get an acceptable framerate. In my case, the instructions from both Flyinside and P3D for its native solution recommended turning down graphics to their lowest settings for a smoother experience, and I found that to be very necessary advice. The problem for me was that running at such low settings left somebody (me) that was already unhappy with FSX/P3D graphics even unhappier! :laugh:

Could you share your settings? I will replicate them on my machine and report back..

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To tune FlyInside a three-step process is recommended

Turn down all graphics settings until you have performance you are really happy with

Turn up resolution until you have crispness you are really happy with

Turn up the graphical settings you care about most, until you have a good balance between smoothness, crispness, and visual fidelity

 

 

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Prepar3D

Here are some helpful hints on how to ensure quality performance when using a virtual reality headset:

Before starting a virtual reality session, turn all of Prepar3D's graphics settings to the lowest they can be. Only increase these settings if the experience is unsatisfactory.

For Oculus Rift Only: All virtual reality sessions start in Stereo Mode which is performance intensive. Under the "Add-Ons" drop-down on the menu bar, select "Toggle Stereo." This will force Prepar3D and the Oculus Rift to render the scene once to both eyes, instead of once for each eye. (YUCK!!)

Turn off any background processes currently running that are not Prepar3D.

 

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Below is my Prepar3D.cfg as well as my FlyInside config file minus the license stuff.

As for XP11 I'm still playing around so too early to have anything to share but I already did try VR and it performed just fine.

Here's my Prepar3D.cfg:

[GRAPHICS]
HDR_BRIGHTNESS=1.100000
HDR_BLOOM_THRESHOLD=3.000000
HDR_BLOOM_MAGNITUDE=1.000000
HDR_BLOOM_BLUR_SIGMA=0.800000
TONEMAP_DAY_EXPOSURE_KEY=0.280000
TONEMAP_NIGHT_EXPOSURE_KEY=0.130000
HDR_SATURATION=0.800000
MIPMAP_VC_PANELS=1
TESSELLATION=1
TEXTURE_MAX_LOAD=1024
NUM_LIGHTS=4
COCKPIT_HIGH_LOD=1
AIRCRAFT_REFLECTIONS=1
LANDING_LIGHTS=1
DAWN_DUSK_SMOOTHING=1
LENSFLARE=0
HDR=1
DYNAMIC_REFLECTIONS=0
SHADOW_QUALITY=2
TERRAIN_SHADOW_CAST_DISTANCE=3
CLOUD_SHADOW_CAST_DISTANCE=0
OBJECT_SHADOW_CAST_DISTANCE=0
CONTENT_NO_SHADOW=0
INTERIOR_SHADOWS_CAST=1
EXTERIOR_SHADOWS_CAST=0
SIMOBJECT_SHADOWS_CAST=0
TERRAIN_SHADOWS_CAST=1
VEGETATION_SHADOWS_CAST=0
BUILDING_SHADOWS_CAST=0
CLOUD_SHADOWS_CAST=0
INTERIOR_SHADOWS_RECEIVE=1
EXTERIOR_SHADOWS_RECEIVE=0
SIMOBJECT_SHADOWS_RECEIVE=0
TERRAIN_SHADOWS_RECEIVE=1
VEGETATION_SHADOWS_RECEIVE=0
BUILDING_SHADOWS_RECEIVE=0
SHADOW_NUM_CASCADES_LOW=4
SHADOW_NUM_CASCADES_MID=5
SHADOW_NUM_CASCADES_HIGH=7
SHADOW_NUM_CASCADES_ULTRA=12
GROUND_SHADOW_TEXTURE_SIZE=2048
CLOUD_SHADOW_TEXTURE_SIZE=512
SHADOW_LOG_PARTITION_LOW=0.850000
SHADOW_LOG_PARTITION_MID=0.850000
SHADOW_LOG_PARTITION_HIGH=0.850000
SHADOW_LOG_PARTITION_ULTRA=0.850000
EFFECTS_QUALITY=2
EFFECTS_DISTANCE=2
TEXTURE_QUALITY=3
IMAGE_QUALITY=0
See_Self=1
Text_Scroll=1
[DISPLAY]
ChangeTime=1.000000
TransitionTime=4.000000
TEXTURE_FILTERING=16
MSAA=4
SSAA=0
VSYNC=0
FXAA=0
TRIPLE_BUFFER=0
SKINNED_ANIMATIONS=1
TEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT=30
UPPER_FRAMERATE_LIMIT=0
WideViewAspect=True
FullScreenBackground=True
FullScreenAutoFill=True
ActiveWindowTitleTextColor=255,255,255
ActiveWindowTitleBackGroundColor=0,28,140,64
NonActiveWindowTitleTextColor=255,255,255
NonActiveWindowTitleBackGroundColor=24,33,87,64
InfoUpperLeftTextColorUser=255,0,0
InfoUpperLeftTextColorNonUser=255,127,0
InfoUpperLeftBackGroundColor=0,0,0,0
InfoUpperRightTextColor=255,0,0
InfoUpperRightBackGroundColor=0,0,0,0
InfoLowerLeftTextColor=255,255,255
InfoLowerLeftBackGroundColor=255,0,0,128
InfoLowerRightTextColor=255,255,255
InfoLowerRightBackGroundColor=255,0,0,128
InfoBrakesEnable=False
InfoParkingBrakesEnable=False
InfoPauseEnable=True
InfoSlewEnable=True
InfoStallEnable=False
InfoOverspeedEnable=False
InfoWeaponSystemEnable=False
InfoCountermeasureEnable=False
InfoUpperRightTextEnable=True
Fullscreen=False
[SCENERY]
MaxRegionsPurgePerFrame=16
POP_FREE_AUTOGEN=1
AUTOGEN_BATCH_LOD=2
AUTOGEN_TREE_MAX_DRAW_DISTANCE=9500.000000
AUTOGEN_TREE_MIN_DISTANCE_TO_LOD=2500.000000
IMAGE_COMPLEXITY=5
[MAIN]
User Objects=Airplane, Helicopter, Submersible, ExternalSim, Avatar
LabelsSupported=Airplane, Helicopter
Location=1395,623,2445,1453,\\.\DISPLAY1
ShowInfoText=1
Maximized=2
HideMenuNormal=1
HideMenuFullscreen=1
AlwaysFullLoad=1
[PANELS]
IMAGE_QUALITY=1
SAVE_AND_LOAD_PANEL_STATE=0
PANEL_OPACITY=100
QUICKTIPS=0
PANEL_MASKING=1
PANEL_STRETCHING=1
UNITS_OF_MEASURE=1
[WEATHER]
WindshieldPrecipitationEffects=1
MinGustTime=10
MaxGustTime=500
MinGustRampSpeed=1
MaxGustRampSpeed=200
MinVarTime=5
MaxVarTime=50
MinVarRampSpeed=10
MaxVarRampSpeed=75
TurbulenceScale=1.000000
WeatherGraphDataInDialog=0
AdjustForMagVarInDialog=1
DynamicWeather=0
DownloadWindsAloft=0
DisableTurbulence=0
CLOUD_DRAW_DISTANCE=8
DETAILED_CLOUDS=1
OPTIMIZE_DENSE_CLOUDS=0
CLOUD_COVERAGE_DENSITY=8
THERMAL_VISUALS=0
VolumetricFog=1
[CONTROLS]
Controls_Default=Standard
Controls_Current=Standard
KBDAIL=64
KBDELEV=64
KBDRUD=64
[TextInfo.1]
AirSpeed=1,5
Altitude=1,3
AverageFrameRate=2,3
FrameRate=2,1
FuelPercentage=2,4
GForce=2,5
Heading=1,4
Latitude=1,1
LockedFrameRate=2,2
Longitude=1,2
WindDirectionAndSpeed=1,6
[SlewTextInfo.1]
AirSpeed=1,5
Altitude=1,3
AverageFrameRate=2,3
FrameRate=2,1
FuelPercentage=2,4
GForce=2,5
Heading=1,4
Latitude=1,1
LockedFrameRate=2,2
Longitude=1,2
WindDirectionAndSpeed=1,6
[Avatar]
DefaultAvatar=Civilian Male White Shirt Blue Jeans
AvatarModeEnabled=1
[DynamicHeadMovement]
LonAccelOnHeadLon=-0.020000
LonAccelOnHeadPitch=-0.010000
RollAccelOnHeadLat=0.010000
YawAccelOnHeadLat=-0.100000
RollAccelOnHeadRoll=0.100000
MaxHeadAngle=5.000000
MaxHeadOffset=0.300000
HeadMoveTimeConstant=1.000000
[VirtualCopilot]
VirtualCopilotActive=0
[DISPLAY.Device.NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti.0.0]
Mode=3840x2160x32
[USERINTERFACE]
SHOW_SCENARIO_WINDOW=1
MUTE_ON_LOST_FOCUS=0
PAUSE_ON_LOST_FOCUS=0
PROMPT_ON_EXIT=1
RestoreTimeOnMove=1
SHOW_MISSION_CAPTIONS=0
Map_Orientation=2
[MOUSE]
EnableGestures=False
[SOUND]
SOUND_FADER1=0.750000
SOUND_FADER2=0.500000
SOUND_FADER3=0.250000
SOUND_FADER4=0.500000
SOUND=1
SOUND_QUALITY=2
SOUND_LOD=0
PrimaryPlaybackDevice={9D34394F-EEE1-44AE-A3FB-93C719042677}
VoicePlaybackDevice={DEF00002-9C6D-47ED-AAF1-4DDA8F2B5C03}
VoiceCaptureDevice={72A81D5A-DE18-4A09-85C1-158C1AFBA5AF}
[TrafficManager]
AirlineDensity=0
GADensity=0
FreewayDensity=15
ShipsAndFerriesDensity=15
LeisureBoatsDensity=15
IFROnly=0
AIRPORT_SCENERY_DENSITY=0
[AContain]
ShowLabels=0
ShowUserLabel=0
ShowLabelManufacturer=1
ShowLabelModel=1
ShowLabelTailNumber=0
ShowLabelDistance=1
ShowLabelAltitude=1
ShowLabelAirline=0
ShowLabelAirlineAndFlightNumber=0
ShowLabelFlightPlan=0
ShowLabelContainerId=0
ShowLabelAirspeed=0
ShowLabelHeading=0
LabelDelay=1000
LabelColor=FFFF0000
[TERRAIN]
LOD_RADIUS=4.500000
TESSELLATION_FACTOR=90
MESH_RESOLUTION=25
TEXTURE_RESOLUTION=29
AUTOGEN_VEGETATION_DENSITY=2
AUTOGEN_BUILDING_DENSITY=2
DETAIL_TEXTURE=1
WATER_REFLECT_CLOUDS=0
WATER_REFLECT_USERAIRCRAFT=0
WATER_REFLECT_SIMOBJECTS=0
WATER_REFLECT_TERRAIN=0
WATER_REFLECT_AUTOGEN_VEGETATION=0
WATER_REFLECT_AUTOGEN_BUILDINGS=0
WATER_REFRACT_CLOUDS=0
WATER_REFRACT_USERAIRCRAFT=0
WATER_REFRACT_SIMOBJECTS=0
WATER_REFRACT_TERRAIN=0
WATER_REFRACT_AUTOGEN_VEGETATION=0
WATER_REFRACT_AUTOGEN_BUILDINGS=0
ENABLE_BATHYMETRY=0
WATER_CLARITY=30
WATER_DETAIL=4
UseGlobalTerrainView=False
[ATC]
AutoOpenAirTrafficWindow=0
UsePilotVoice=0
ShowATCText=0
PilotVoice=0
COMM_MSG_AI_ATC_COLOR=0XFF8C00
COMM_MSG_ATC_AI_COLOR=0X00008B
COMM_MSG_ATC_USER_COLOR=0X006400
COMM_MSG_USER_ATC_COLOR=0XA52A2A
COMM_MSG_ATIS_COLOR=00000000
[INTERNATIONAL]
ASLAT=2
ASLON=0
MEASURE=1
[REALISM]
PFactor=1.000000
Torque=1.000000
GyroEffect=1.000000
CrashTolerance=1.000000
General=1.000000
UnlimitedFuel=False
AllowEngineDamage=True
TrueAirspeed=False
AutoCoord=False
RealMixture=True
StressDamage=True
GEffect=True
ManualLights=True
GyroDrift=False
CrashWithDyn=False
CrashDetection=True
OnCrashAction=0
[ATTACHMENTS]
WeaponHighlight=False
HighlightDuration=1.000000
AutoWeaponSwitching=False
UnlimitedWeapons=False
UnlimitedCountermeasures=False
IgnoreAttachmentWeight=False
IgnoreAttachmentForces=False
[RECORDER]
RecordAITraffic=True
RecordAirportVehicles=True
RecordLeisureBoats=True
[SIM]
SYSCLOCK=0
OPTIMIZE_PARTS=1
[STARTUP]
DEMO=0
STARTUP_DEMO=
LOAD_SCENARIO_TOOLS=1
LoadCorePlugins=1
LoadWindow=1
[PointOfInterestSystem]
CycleSetting=0
[FACILITIES]
COUNTRY=
STATE=
CITY=
GTL_BUTTON=4096
[MISC]
Com_Rate=7
[DEBUG]
ReportLoadErrors=0
[MULTIPLAYER]
condAccountPassword=0

And here's my settings_pro_FlyInside P3D_settings.ini:

[Loading]
ForceVRMode = 0

[Graphics]
DX11 Adapter = NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti \\.\DISPLAY1
DX9 Adapter = NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti \\.\DISPLAY1
LockSimulatorFrameRateRift2 = 0
Oculus Target Resolution = 2880 1620
EnableFXAA2 = 0

[Input]
Tap To Recenter = 0
Reset Orientation = 46887 13 vJoy Device:7 46887 20 vJoy Device Button 7 46887 1 0
Center Mouse = 46887 7 UNBOUND 46887 7 Unbound 46887 1 0
Show/Hide Mouse Pointer = 46887 7 UNBOUND 46887 7 Unbound 46887 1 0

[UI]
Show Tooltips = 0
Show Window Border = 1

[Interaction]
Interact = 46887 13 vJoy Device:9 46887 20 vJoy Device Button 9 46887 1 0
InteractKeyApproved = 1

[General]
Show Adapter Selection Screen = 0
Loaded successfully = 1

[Windows]
RearrangeOnConnect = 0
RearrangeOnHMDReset = 0
RearrangeOnDisplay = 0

[Mirror]
Show Both Eyes = 0
Include Distortion = 0

[Zoom]
Toggle Zoom = 46887 5 K:112 46887 6 F1 key 46887 1 0
Zoom Level Adjust = 46887 1 1 46887 39 46887 5 K:113 46887 6 F2 key 46887 1 0  46887 39 46887 5 K:114 46887 6 F3 key 46887 1 0  46887 28 46887 0  46887 0  46887 1 0
Zoom Level = 5

[VirtualDesktop]
DesktopViewEnabled = 0
Enable/Disable Virtual Desktop = 46887 13 vJoy Device:8 46887 20 vJoy Device Button 8 46887 1 0

[Options]
DisablePauseControl = 1

[ColorAdjust]
Saturation = 1
Enabled = 0
DarkLevel = 0
LightLevel = 0

[Magnifier]
Toggle Magnifying Glass = 46887 7 UNBOUND 46887 7 Unbound 46887 1 0

[Sound]
Volume = 0.50
EnableRiftAudio = 0

 

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