YukonPete

Fight Factor A320 looks great.

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I don't think it's so much the add-on aeroplanes which are not good, it's the other things about XPlane 11 which make people say that, i.e the lack of a really decent flight planner, less than brilliant AI, less than brilliant ATC and weather which needs sorting out and a really good weather add on too. To be fair, some of that does now appear to be on the way, such as HiFi looking at doing a weather add-on and a new AI add-on on the way too. Yes you can tart it up with some of the JAR design stuff and Goodway etc, but as much as that is possible, we're not there yet with all the pieces of the puzzle, because some of those things just don't fit well together, and those things are payware products.

I'm a big fan of the Flight Factors A350, it's great, easily on par with most airliners you can get for ESP-based sims, but it, like other airliners in XPlane 11, such as the Aerosoft CRJ which is cool too and has been cool since it came out for XPlane 10, all whilst everyone was crying about not having one for FSX or P3D, is hamstrung by being in a sim which currently lets it down with regard to a lot of the peripheral stuff I mentioned; stuff which is necessary to really do such add-ons justice. This makes it difficult to replicate airline flights as well as can be done in FSX, P3D and even FS2004. I wish it were not so, because XPlane 11 gets cool frame rates, has fab lighting, and has those nice realistic undulating runways etc, and as I say, I think flight Factors did a great job on their A350 and I really am a big fan of it, so I've no doubt the FF A320 will be even better, but some of the supporting stuff has been promised by Laminar since before XP 10 came out, and that's a long wait, so unfortunately that nice A350 sits in my virtual hangar, because I got tired of being vectored into mountains by the less than brilliant (payware) ATC add-ons and not being able to insert routes into a flight planner because the (again payware) flight planner thought the major European airport I was routing to did not exist when it was indeed right there in XPlane 11.

Thus I imagine that new A320 will indeed be great, but until it lives in a sim world where all that other stuff is on par with it, it's going to make it a tricky decision whether or not to buy it if it becomes another brilliant hangar queen let down by other add-ons. So I just hope all that other stuff is forthcoming, because if it is, that new A320 would be a no brainer purchase and I would cheerfully blow the dust of XPlane 11 and start using it again, because the competition that would engender would see Lockheed Martin, Laminar and Dovetail having to really push the envelope to keep people playing and paying.

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Looks really good. I agree with you Alan xp has some nice planes my disappointment is the scenery its not the same as it is on p3d wish I had flightbeam or flytampa and of course the atc ai weather etc etc maybe this add-on will bring in even more people to x-plane.

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2 hours ago, Silverbird said:

Looks really good. I agree with you Alan xp has some nice planes my disappointment is the scenery its not the same as it is on p3d wish I had flightbeam or flytampa and of course the atc ai weather etc etc maybe this add-on will bring in even more people to x-plane.

In my opinion XP scenery is better then P3D and most is free!

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Looks very nice.

I already have the 320 in P3D (at least as soon as FSL releases the V4 version) and it's one of my top aircraft, so I'll not be in the market.

Good news for XP exclusive flyers. The Airbus is a lot of fun and not Boeing (for a change.)

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No need at all to turn an A320 news into another XP vs P3D thread. Just take what you enjoy most.

Will be quite interesting to take the FSLabs 320 and the FF 320 into a direct comparison. 

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I think its sad that that on a post that announces what could be a very important plane for X-Plane 11, the first reply is basically a tirade against X-Plane's other issues. Sure it has its issues, but then as Petabread pointed out, so do FSX and P3D. Its replies such as Chock's on X-Plane posts in X-Plane forums that fuel the animosity between simulator users. 

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Every time I try to go back to P3D I realize how expensive it is to add nice effects and scenery.   As an XP convert I have a hidden desire to keep XP on the outskirts of the simming community.  This way those that hate XP stay with P3D, FSX, Aerofly and FSW and continue to send loads of money to developers that sell mostly mediocre products.  I say keep that money pit over there!  XP is a beautiful sim that keeps getting better because the community is so dedicated, knowledgeable and helpful.  I have XP running more realistic and efficient at 1/10th the cost of FSX and P3D (I speak from experience).  I hope the XP community doesn't lose it's niche when all these developers realize there is an untapped market and start selling us unfinished and overpriced products.  Indeed, XP devs sell stuff that is not always ready for prime time but, truthfully most of the add-ons I have are either free or I created myself (Ortho XP).  I've never been so happy with a sim!!!  

"XP word not allowed"

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Please keep this discussion about the A320 and not P3D vs X-Plane.

 

 

 

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Actually Alan's post was in direct relation to the very first sentence of the op!

He was simply pointing out that it is not usually the aircraft that make or break xplane, it will be the other available add ons that currently aren't all there in the same quality and functionality.

I'm looking forward to this new Airbus as there are things in the other Sims that are really bugging me at the moment. Is there a price yet?

Chris

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On 9/12/2017 at 5:54 AM, yidahoo said:

I think its sad that that on a post that announces what could be a very important plane for X-Plane 11, the first reply is basically a tirade against X-Plane's other issues. Sure it has its issues, but then as Petabread pointed out, so do FSX and P3D. Its replies such as Chock's on X-Plane posts in X-Plane forums that fuel the animosity between simulator users. 

And I think it's sad that you completely glossed over the fact that my comment was a reply to the opening comment about people not liking XPlane because they have tunnel vision, rather than what it was, which was a valid comment replying to that opening statement, and pointing that as good as the add-on will doubtless be, it is other issues with the base sim's add-ons and lack thereoff which will affect its usability, and going on to point out that I hope these are addressed. So the comments were not a pointless tirade against XPlane's issues as you suggest, they were in direct relation to what would affect the A320 add-on's usability.

Thus mine was not an inflammatory post about issues between sim users, that's up to others to do that if they want to indulge in it. I was pointing out that my other Flight Factors airliner was stymied by the same points which may affect this A320 too, and you will notice, but also studiously ignored, that I said it would be a no brainer purchase for me if they were sorted. But sure, go and try to turn those valid comments in relation to the new FF A320's utility into the pointless animosity you are pretending you don't like witnessing, but are instead actually fueling.

I would hardly have bought the Flight Factors A350, Goodway, JAR Design's FMC and air traffic control stuff etc, if I was somehow after decrying XPlane just for the sake of it, would I?

These are presently issues with XPlane 11, and they do affect its utility with IFR flights for airliners even when such add-ons themselves are excellent, so these issue do warrant comment if they will affect what can be done with even an excellent add-on aeroplane. I am not averse to pointing out issues with other sims either if they are there and affect their usability too, such as P3D not having downloadable weather without paying for an add-on to have it do that when the sim it was based on had that by default, so it's not some anti-XPlane crusade I am on, far from it, I've bought pretty much every version of XPlane there has been. 

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3 hours ago, tutmeister said:

I'm looking forward to this new Airbus as there are things in the other Sims that are really bugging me at the moment. Is there a price yet?

Chris

Not final price yet, but it has been said it will be under 100.

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13 minutes ago, mmerelles said:

Not final price yet, but it has been said it will be under 100.

Yep, probably 99.99 :biggrin:

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