November 29, 20187 yr For those about to upgrade to P3Dv4.4, if you use any of the default Beech acft (the Baron, King Air, or Carenado A36 Bonanza) or the gauge files from any of them (the G1000 is commonly used in third-party freeware acft, for example)--all of these acft have been intentionally removed from P3Dv4.4. If you want to keep any of them moving forward, you'll want to keep a copy of the relevant aircraft directory from your v4.3 P3D\SimObjects\Airplanes, and you'll need to also seek out and save any gauge, effects, or sound files referenced in the aircraft.cfg, or panel.cfg. No idea what's behind this, other than a LM staffer acknowledging that the removal of all the Beeches from v4.4 was intentional. Regards Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
November 29, 20187 yr I doubt that it's anything sinister. Some FSX era Cessna models were also previously removed. It's just LM being careful from a legal standpoint. The attorneys for aerospace companies have periodically hunted down flight sim developers for trademark infringement. There's probably not a. widespread active effort on the part of Textron, but if your pockets are deep like LM's are, you want to be extra careful. My cousin is a trademark and patent attorney and at one point in time his firm had both Disney and BMW as clients. You'd be surprised the petty stuff that his firm got involved with.
November 29, 20187 yr 4 minutes ago, jabloomf1230 said: You'd be surprised the petty stuff that his firm got involved with. lol....oh, no we wouldn't, their lawyers after all. Bryan Wallis aka "fltsimguy" Maple Bay, British Columbia Near CAM3
November 29, 20187 yr Most of his stories were funny. The legal theory was that you have to catch all the small fry, else you set a standard for bigger trademark thieves. The most interesting recent story was that BMW sent a cease and desist letter to a private individual who was using a 3D printer to manufacture a $10 plastic part from a classic BMW that was no longer available from the manufacturer. The poor guy didn't have the money to fight with BMW so he gave up. That story is public knowledge so no confidentially broken.
November 30, 20187 yr Anyone found a list of which specific instrument files need to be backed up to move over? I'm guessing this was just LM not wanting to continue to pay a licensing fee to Beech for aircraft that weren't heavily used. DennyAFake planes flown: MSFS / P3D v4.x / FSX / X-Plane 11 / Aerofly FS2 / IL-2 / DCS / FlightSafety 737-200 full-motion (Aloha 243 cockpit) / a zillion old simsReal planes flown: Mooney 231, Cessna 310, F-15D (back seat), T-34B (front seat) Ancient computer magazines I wrote about flight sims for: Computer Gaming World, Computer Games/Strategy+, Compute!, AmigaWorldRig: Core i9-13900K, RTX 4090, 32GB, HP Reverb G2, Winwing HOTAS and Turtle Beach pedals
November 30, 20187 yr Commercial Member 7 hours ago, w6kd said: For those about to upgrade to P3Dv4.4, if you use any of the default Beech acft (the Baron, King Air, or Carenado A36 Bonanza) or the gauge files from any of them (the G1000 is commonly used in third-party freeware acft, for example)--all of these acft have been intentionally removed from P3Dv4.4. If you want to keep any of them moving forward, you'll want to keep a copy of the relevant aircraft directory from your v4.3 P3D\SimObjects\Airplanes, and you'll need to also seek out and save any gauge, effects, or sound files referenced in the aircraft.cfg, or panel.cfg. No idea what's behind this, other than a LM staffer acknowledging that the removal of all the Beeches from v4.4 was intentional. Regards Hey Bob! I don't fly GA in the Sim, so not a big deal for me, however I can easily see this mattering to many others. Thanks for the heads up! Dave Hodges System Specs: I9-13900KF, NVIDIA 4070TI, Quest 3, Multiple Displays, Lots of TERRIFIC friends, 3 cats, and a wonderfully stubborn wife.
November 30, 20187 yr For clarification, I updated the Client component only and still have all the aforementioned aircraft. I believe if you update the Content component you will lose those aircraft. NZXT H9 Elite Mid-Tower | ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming WiFi | AMD Ryzen 7800X3D | Corsair CW-9060060-WW iCUE H150i RGB ELITE Liquid CPU Cooler | G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo RGB Series 64GB | MSI Suprim Liquid GeForce RTX 4090 24GB | Corsair RMe Series RM1200e ATX PSU | WD Blue SN580 M.2 2TB | Samsung SSD 990 Pro 2TB x 2 | Samsung Portable SSD T5 2TB | Windows 11 Pro 64-bit |
November 30, 20187 yr Starting with Prepar3D v4.4, Lockheed Martin was requested by Textron Aviation to remove all of their intellectual property likenesses. Previously, Lockheed Martin had an agreement with Beech Aircraft Corporation (Beechcraft) for inclusion of their aircraft likenesses. In 2014, Textron Aviation purchased all Beechcraft intellectual property and they recently asked us to remove their likenesses from our public Prepar3D builds. We continue to work with Textron Aviation to reintroduce their branded aircrafts so our users can have even more great examples of training and simulation in Prepar3D. Post by Rob McCarthy » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:05 pm Rob McCarthy Prepar3D® Core Lead Edited November 30, 20187 yr by TuFun
November 30, 20187 yr Oops, TuFun beat me to it! The removal of the Baron should not affect the G1000 gauge files I would think, since I believe the G1000 Mooney is still included as a default aircraft. Jim BarrettLicensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.
November 30, 20187 yr A lawyer once told me this joke: How many lawyer jokes are there? The answer: Three, all the rest are true stories ! Jim Elder
November 30, 20187 yr Can not recall that there was any mention of this in the release notes.... Johan Pienaar
November 30, 20187 yr It was mentioned in the release notes I read on FS Elite. And it was fairly obvious this was going to be because of some legal wrangling. ckyliu, proud supporter of ViaIntercity.com. i5 12400F, 32GB, RTX4070, more in "About me" on my profile.
November 30, 20187 yr Author How long, I wonder, before some overactive aerospace company legal dept tries to tell photographers they can't put pictures of their aircraft on airliners.net... Regards Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
November 30, 20187 yr I really don't find it to be an issue. They were kinda junky and antiquated anyway. The hobby has really moved to payware addons also, IMO. Also may have to do with being a competitor in the Aerospace market. Textron doesn't seem to have an issue with Xplane's Beeches. Edited November 30, 20187 yr by Adrian123
November 30, 20187 yr https://thelawtog.com/is-photographing-a-logo-legal/ As long as it's not used in commerce, according to this article, a photo of an airliner would be legal.
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