4 minutes ago, katice said:

There aren't that much quality GA planes (of course, there was RealAir, there is A2A which is a class in itself), but it's certainly a market niche when it comes to real quality.

In X-Plane though, there are a lot of high quality options that can satisfy the niche of light twin GA flyhing.

I completely disagree. As a GA pilot, it is the lack of very high quality GA planes in XP that keeps me from using it more than I do. Yeah maybe I'm spoiled by A2A, RealAir...and now apparently Vertx, but those are the standards against which other planes will be judged. It is a mistake to assume a GA pilot will settle for less simply because it isn't a transport category aircraft.

15 minutes ago, ErichB said:

Yeah,  I don't get that either @Bobsk8   In fact,  most VA flyers I'm aware of don't even use VATSIM.  They press buttons to communicate with ATC.

I don't use Vatsim, because I get really tired of flying with no controllers anywhere I want to fly and landing and taking off with Unicomm. That being said, many of the VA's I have flown with and fly with now have a very active Vatsim group. Where did you get your info from or did you just imagine that is the way it is? 

2 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I don't use Vatsim, because I get really tired of flying with no controllers anywhere I want to fly and landing and taking off with Unicomm. That being said, many of the VA's I have flown with and fly with now have a very active Vatsim group. Where did you get your info from or did you just imagine that is the way it is? 

I was just ribbing you Bob.  

16 minutes ago, snglecoil said:

I completely disagree. As a GA pilot, it is the lack of very high quality GA planes in XP that keeps me from using it more than I do. Yeah maybe I'm spoiled by A2A, RealAir...and now apparently Vertx, but those are the standards against which other planes will be judged. It is a mistake to assume a GA pilot will settle for less simply because it isn't a transport category aircraft.

There are plenty. The TBM for instance is, for me, the gold-standard in GA flight-simulation, but this is a discussion for another topic. 

Edited December 20, 20187 yr by GCBraun

5 hours ago, ErichB said:

I'm still not convinced that the $200-$300 per year spend on payware addons is a genuine and accurate reflection of the community at large.  Surely not.

I find this one somewhat hard to believe. I know many simmers who can blow that in a month on addons easily. 

 

I'm moved this topic to the hangar chat so others can chime in. There was a duplicate thread started in the X-Plane forum, so would make sense to keep it one place.

1 hour ago, Milviz said:

I am pretty sure that Ed is right (I cannot beleive I am agreeing with him but there ya go).

 

XP is popular... more than it was last year. Is it more so than P3D/FSX?  Certainly not when it comes to sales generated by the same product numbers.  In the same amount of time, for the same product, sales on the C310 were less than half on XP than they were on P3D/FSX.  That's a fact.

I'm not sure that I would consider doing a XP only product at this point... 

 

Make it closer to quality HotStart TBM-900 and then your entrance to XP market will be more noticeable. In any case I bought your 310 to support your  XP effort. And this despite the fact that I lost my investment into 350i which I will never see because I ditched P3D and never coming back 🙂

1 hour ago, Jim Young said:

X-Plane is evidently not too popular on AVSIM in comparison to the Prepar3D Forums.  I would suspect most conversations are conducted on the X-Plane site or other forums.  Here's a chart from our system of New Topics created each month.

 

99% users who are interested in XP are using on x-plane.org forum simple as that.

1 hour ago, simbol said:

I concluded long time ago that investment as developer for XP is not for me, specially when Lockheed Martin is providing 3rd party developers like you and me lots of support, that is very valuable as developer, it ensures my time and investment on the platform is sound and strong.

If anything, now is the time to invest some effort and time into X-Plane because it will become much more competitive over the next few years. Many of the big names are now making products for X-Plane, and for those that don't, somebody else will just come along and do it instead. I get a little tired of hearing developers saying they won't make products for X-Plane because it doesn't support specific features, only for another developer to come along and do it anyway (and some even do it for free).

1 hour ago, katice said:

You know who is a real winner? We, the simmers.

All this boasting from some X-Plane users or some deluded denial from some P3D users is baffling.

In the end, good, healthy competition breeds progress for all.

+1 to this. Pretty much sums up the general attitude of this entire thread.

8 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

99% users who are interested in XP are using on x-plane.org forum simple as that.

I'd say the majority are actually sat on Facebook groups such as XPNG, which is very popular and much more active than the forums.

On 12/19/2018 at 9:06 AM, ErichB said:

Yup, they had better pull something rather significant out of the bag very soon.

Rubbish, the revenue made from military contracts far exceeds the revenue from gaming simmers using xp, they got nothing to worry about. 

Edited December 20, 20187 yr by tooting

19 minutes ago, tooting said:

Rubbish, the revenue made from military contracts far exceeds the revenue from gaming simmers using xp, they got nothing to worry about. 

I’m not saying they have commercial concerns with flightsim users. I’m saying that needs to happen to keep people from leaving p3d - fence straddlers

12 minutes ago, tooting said:

Rubbish, the revenue made from military contracts far exceeds the revenue from gaming simmers using xp, they got nothing to worry about. 

Sure. In a sense, we now feel the hole left by the missed Dovetail approach. While this one has been flawed from the very beginning (in my mind), another approach might have been quite successful indeed and filled that hole.

Not sure about the fate of the game license of the MS engine. Maybe, MS gave up on it? But they certainly wouldn't if they could squeeze another few bucks out of it. So maybe it's still around to be picked up by someone else?

Kind regards, Michael

39 minutes ago, ErichB said:

I’m not saying they have commercial concerns with flightsim users. I’m saying that needs to happen to keep people from leaving p3d - fence straddlers

Which is chicken feed to LM.  

They didnt start P3D for pensioners and teenagers, they started to make mega bucks of the military 

3 hours ago, Milviz said:

I am pretty sure that Ed is right (I cannot beleive I am agreeing with him but there ya go).

 

XP is popular... more than it was last year. Is it more so than P3D/FSX?  Certainly not when it comes to sales generated by the same product numbers.  In the same amount of time, for the same product, sales on the C310 were less than half on XP than they were on P3D/FSX.  That's a fact.

I'm not sure that I would consider doing a XP only product at this point... 

Have you tried the Org store?  Many more xp users are over there....  I'm betting many didn't even know MV has entered the XP market.

3 hours ago, ErichB said:

Yeah,  I don't get that either @Bobsk8   In fact,  most VA flyers I'm aware of don't even use VATSIM.  They press buttons to communicate with ATC.

Couldn't agree more here...