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Carenado ATR42-500 Announced

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Good news!.

Carenado has just announced its ATR42-500 project, for FSX and P3D. Look at the Carenado Channel in YouTube.

So, it´ll probably beat Milviz by getting first to the market with the ATR.

Cheers, Ed

 

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Carenado: celebrating 20 years of mediocrity. 

 

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A nice surprise, but in all honesty, without including any of the other types, personally I'm not too sure I'd be willing to go for it. Particularly considering the rather light simulation of the systems that Carenado tends to do. That's the only reason Iv'e not jumped on their B1900, Saab or Fokker 50 yet...

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<sigh>....well that was rather underwhelming.

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Are people really still wasting money on Carenado junk?

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Well they used to be pretty good. What has changed?

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2 minutes ago, Riah069 said:

Well they used to be pretty good. What has changed?

The absolute best texture representation on the cockpit and the exterior models, high definition, excellent detail. Systems wise, not very good.

Carenado's aircraft are for people who enjoy the the exterior and interior views and don´t want to read over too many pages of manuals, and want to put the aircraft in the air with simplicity.

Cheers, Ed

 

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4 minutes ago, Riah069 said:

Well they used to be pretty good. What has changed?

Nothing changed really. When they started there weren't many other developers GA aircraft to compare them to. Now we have A2A, Milviz, Vertx to name a few.

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Oh ok. Well i just looked at the trailer for the ATR and does look ok. I miss not having a ATR in the hanger. The last one i had was the Flight1 and that bird was ok 🙂

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I like Carenado planes, Some are better than others, but that goes for all addon developers I would think.

They obviously still have a strong market or they wouldn’t be around.

They are a decent representation of the aircraft that they model and are definitely geared towards the folks who like things a little simpler and just like to just get going in a hurry sometimes 🙂

 

Just my two cents, and the ATR looks nice too.

 

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1 hour ago, Benjamin J said:

 Particularly considering the rather light simulation of the systems that Carenado tends to do. That's the only reason Iv'e not jumped on their B1900, Saab or Fokker 50 yet...

FWIW, the Saab is really nice, what it might lack in systems depth is a matter I don't wish to debate, but it flies well, and has a great VC, visual model, and animations.  I guess it all boils down to what kind compromises you're willing to make in order to fly AC types that interest you. Personally, I have no interest in the ATR, so i'll likely pass on it as well.

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Carenado is still one of the best product developers for flight simulation (Alabeo too).  There are two or three "experts" who disagree they make good stuff because their computer does not work properly when they can't get the product to work the way it works in real life (flight simulation is a simulation of the real thing).  Some of their products are second to none as the modelling is near perfection IMHO.  Lockheed even allowed some of their aircraft to be installed as default aircraft in previous versions of P3D (who in their right mind at Lockheed would allow Carenado to have a couple pieces of aircraft garbage installed in their program?).  They even allowed other developers, like MILVIZ, to install some of their products in P3D as the default aircraft but I always had problems with MILVIZ stuff as I'm not a very good chopper pilot. I'm glad Carenado pretty much stays with general aviation aircraft with awesome textures inside and outside. When there are issues with a Carenado product, they usually issue an update as soon as it is known (but not fast enough for some as they demand it fixed NOW!!).  I remember when many members were getting CTD's with Carenado aircraft but it was not the fault of Carenado but Lockheed techs discovered a programming error and they fixed it in the next update to P3D and the Carenado aircraft worked again without error.  Carenado aircraft systems are some of the best but, like other aircraft addons, there is an occasional bug where the product does not work exactly like in real life but it is usually fixed after the anomaly is brought to Carenado's attention. 

I try to enjoy this hobby as much as possible as it has great educational and entertainment value.  I don't like to buy a product and become a beta tester for the product as it was released after a lot of testing.  This is usually the first objective when someone buys a product like MILVIZ or Carenado.  They'll immediately beta test it to be the very first one to find faults with the aircraft as they do not want an addon company to be successful.  Usually they'll have several minor issues that they post that, in the end, were minor and easily fixed.  You can go into the Carenado forums here at AVSIM and see some of the issues some are discussing.  As you will see, many have major issues, others do not see the issue and enjoy the aircraft they just bought. 

So, do not listen to the "experts" who think Carenado products are not very good because, IMHO, they work great and look great and so do many others.  If you want something very close to reality, buy a Carenado product (or buy two).  I look forward to the release of the ATR 42-500.

 

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I'm just waiting for the EMB-120. I will probably never buy another addon plane again after their release.

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Carenado C206 was the first addon plane I brought and it was because I wanted it for using in FSEconomy.  thanks to Carenado, many of the planes for FSE have great visual models as FSE focuses heavily on GA. The best thing to happen to Carenado is Reality Expansion Packs as they take a great plane and make them amazing. I have many of Carenado and Alabeo planes but have stopped buying new ones as I have focused heavily on quality of just a few planes over quantity but I will always seriously look at the Carenado plane when SimCoders releases a new REP for one of their planes.  As simmers we benefit from two different companies working together to make one plane where they both bring to the table the areas they shine in.

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22 minutes ago, Ident said:

As simmers we benefit from two different companies working together to make one plane where they both bring to the table the areas they shine in.

One of the great things in the Flight Simulation Community are those who develop video reviews of products.  AVSIM does many reviews too but I like the ones on YouTube where someone who is familiar with an aircraft will do a short or long review of the product and run a test flight.  This is where I look first if I have a question about a product.  For instance, there were many upset with the EMB 100 or 300 released by Carenado.  Some could not get the G1000 to work but, when reviewing a video at YouTube, the reviewer had no issues or would note the potential problem and show a workaround in hopes Carenado will release a fix soon.  These reviewers are sometimes critical of Carenado aircraft too but they show a lot of enjoyment in flying the aircraft from Point A to Point B and using the automated systems.  I like watching these videos too for learning how to operate the aircraft correctly.  One of the things many have problems with when buying a Carenado or Alabeo aircraft is the lack of documentation.  When you have an 1000 page plus manual for PMDG aircraft and only 2-3 page documentation for Carenado aircraft, one gets a bit excited.  But the G1000 works the same in one aircraft as it does in another so no reason to provide a 1000 page document that details how this gauge works.  I have finally learned the various aspects of the G1000 and it is quite enjoyable when programming a flight.  But it does not come easy.  There are a lot of things to learn but then, that's what this hobby is all about... the educational and enjoyment aspects.

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It would also make sense that they make the 500 variant since MilViz is currently developing the 600, which makes folks who want both variants, of course, some folks won't be too pleased with the quality of Carenado's variant being less of a systems developed aircraft.

It would be an awesome offering if a company like SimCoders for XP did something with Carenado/Alabeo models for FSX/P3D

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3 hours ago, mpw8679 said:

Are people really still wasting money on Carenado junk?

I feel the need to clarify.  I am mainly referring to the FSX/P3D models.  I do have the new Baron for XP11 with the REP pack and it is very very good.

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Carenado does a pretty good job with GA aircraft.  Their glass cockpits are O.K.  Synthetic vision for th G1000 is nice.  Their FMCS suck -- absolute junk.  However the Carenado FMC can be replaced with the GTN750 -- not ideal, but acceptable.  Someday a third party developer will develop a good FMC for Carenado and Alabeo aircraft.  Maybe Carenado will make one?

The Milviz is going to have a high price point.  When it comes to comparing a $40 Carenado model with a $100 plus Milviz model, the Carenado model will look much better.

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The Carenado Saab is perfectly fine when combined with the GTN750. Regarding visuals, Carenado is top, their planes look absolutely awesome and at least they get the proportions right (unlike VirtualCol...). However, selecting the ATR is a slight disappointment to me... I would have loved to see other turboprop commuters first as Milviz already working on an ATR, this smells again like creating a competition where nobody wants competition...

Why not a Saab 2000? Why not a DO-328? Why not even a Dash-8 full series including all variants for those that do not want to spend a lot of time to learn the excellent Dash-8 from Majestic Software?

And I am pretty sure that the ATR 72 will never arrive. Otherwise they could have already been working on a Saab 2000 in addition to the SF340.

Besides that, the ATR will be a insta-buy for me, as my regional airliners hangar is still almost empty.

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For those with past experience - what can we expect from Milviz systems-wise?

I am waiting for a good ATR.

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25 minutes ago, Shomron said:

For those with past experience - what can we expect from Milviz systems-wise?

I am waiting for a good ATR.

According to Colin, founder and CEO of Milviz, the systems will be very completely simulated. To the level of accuracy suitable for real world pilot familiarization and practice. They have apparently already been approached by a carrier about professional purchase. 

 

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4 hours ago, AnkH said:

this smells again like creating a competition where nobody wants competition...

I'm not an insider of all this, but experience suggests this only smells two projects which were decided maybe 2 years ago at least, with each company keeping their ongoing projects in secrecy for obvious reasons, and both projects revealed roughly at the same time just because they've matured to reach release point roughly at the same time by pure chance.

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7 minutes ago, yurei said:

According to Colin, founder and CEO of Milviz, the systems will be very completely simulated. To the level of accuracy suitable for real world pilot familiarization and practice. They have apparently already been approached by a carrier about professional purchase. 

 

Nice and if I recall correctly he was also the lead developer of the TFDI 717?

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44 minutes ago, Shomron said:

Nice and if I recall correctly he was also the lead developer of the TFDI 717?

Different Colin

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26 minutes ago, ErichB said:

Different Colin

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