19 minutes ago, ca_metal said:

I'm sorry, but this P3D video isn't any closer to what we saw on the Microsoft FSim teaser video. Clouds, reflections, city enviroment... 

Yeah - I think it's a good example of just "more of everything" strapped onto the old roots (admittedly updated over time to 64 bit, etc).

It's not bad or anything.  I'm just personally ready for a fresh start.

Edited June 27, 20196 yr by irrics

While Rob's video shows a rather smooth experience, I really hope that the popping of scenery (the elevated highway, trees and terrain) is almost non-existent / is a lot less obvious in the new FS than what we saw at 10:55 to 11:08 and again moderately at 5:28.

The thing with MSE photoscenery is that there is no autogen buildings nor autogen vegetation, so performance should be good without those present.
TrueEarth has its issues, but I think it looks better with its autogen on display than MSE with none at all - though I can admit that's very subjective.
 

32 minutes ago, ca_metal said:

I'm sorry, but this P3D video isn't any closer to what we saw on the Microsoft FSim teaser video. Clouds, reflections, city enviroment... 

12 minutes ago, irrics said:

Yeah - I think it's a good example of just "more of everything" strapped onto the old roots (admittedly updated over time to 64 bit, etc).

It's not bad or anything.  I'm just personally ready for a fresh start.

We need to acknowledge that the trailer displays much better lighting than P3D can achieve, makes a lot of use of dawn and dusk in shots and holds those shots for only a few seconds at a time. That is partly what makes it so appealing.

But IMO, you're right. When comparing the two videos, I think the vast majority would pick the visuals from the sim in the trailer.
 

Edited June 27, 20196 yr by F737NG

While Rob's video looks nice, but the city looks 'dead' to me because of no road traffic and activities. The terrain popping still present in the latest P3D, sigh.

14 minutes ago, F737NG said:

While Rob's video shows a rather smooth experience,

I also want a fully smooth experience this time around, not "rather smooth".

 

Man do stutters suck..

Edited June 27, 20196 yr by irrics

Just now, irrics said:

I also want a fully smooth experience this time around

The holy grail of flight simming! 📿

Depends if the base sim is well optimised for the hardware available, if we don't cram everything we can possibly add into it and whether we are realistic with our choices of settings.

1 minute ago, irrics said:

Man do stutters suck..

Yes. Yes they absolutely do.

1 minute ago, irrics said:

I also want a fully smooth experience this time around, not "rather smooth".

We all want that, sure. But it's not like we can't get it now.

Fly Aerofly FS2, for example. Or XP11 as long as you're not maxing out the sliders. I won't tolerate stutters and I won't tolerate pop-in of details in the distance. It's why I'm flying this particular sim. It's smooth as silk, never a stutter, and I'm not on the highest-end hardware. Especially the GPU (see specs below).

So yeah, it's essential for a new flight sim released in 2020 that it be fully smooth without stutters and without visible artifacts like pop-in. But let's not pretend we can't get a smooth flight experience right now, with the right hardware and not going nuts with the eye candy if your hardware can't support it.

31 minutes ago, Paraffin said:

Fly Aerofly FS2, for example. Or XP11

My comment about smoothness is wanting it in the new MSFS, not the other existing alternatives.

I'm not interested in Aerofly or XP11 at this time, sorry.

Edited June 27, 20196 yr by irrics

25 minutes ago, Paraffin said:

...it's essential for a new flight sim released in 2020 that it be fully smooth without stutters and without visible artifacts like pop-in.

Agreed

Edited June 27, 20196 yr by irrics

3 hours ago, DaWu said:

Yeah thats ridiculous. I will never understand how one can watch someone else play a game and even donate money to them. What a waste of...everything

I don't want to get too off topic here, but do you use Netflix? HBO maybe? Watched game of thrones? Some people find entertainment from actors on a show, others find entertainment in people playing games, usually at an extremely high level. Some twitch streamers are pretty good. It's no more a waste than watching a TV streaming service.

 

IRL streaming, though, is a complete waste of time and brain cells. I

3 minutes ago, A330-300 said:

I don't want to get too off topic here, but do you use Netflix? HBO maybe? Watched game of thrones? Some people find entertainment from actors on a show, others find entertainment in people playing games, usually at an extremely high level. Some twitch streamers are pretty good. It's no more a waste than watching a TV streaming service.

There is a qualitative difference though. I can't jump into Game of Thrones and act out what those characters are doing. Or get behind the camera as DP or Director of the series. You can do that in a game; it's interactive entertainment.

This may not be completely OT either, because part of this discussion is about the idea of attracting a wider audience to flight sims. It helps to know what that wider audience is like, especially the younger "gaming" demographic. They're not all in this passive mode, but at least some of them are.

1 hour ago, Paraffin said:

There is a qualitative difference though. I can't jump into Game of Thrones and act out what those characters are doing. Or get behind the camera as DP or Director of the series. You can do that in a game; it's interactive entertainment.

This may not be completely OT either, because part of this discussion is about the idea of attracting a wider audience to flight sims. It helps to know what that wider audience is like, especially the younger "gaming" demographic. They're not all in this passive mode, but at least some of them are.

You can try acting a game of thrones episode by yourself, but you may not have the budget to recreate the sets or the acting skills to be convincing. Heck, you can try making your own TV show as long as you know how to use a video camera and a computer. Granted you probably won't find making a show entertaining, but it is interactive.

A lot of kids/teens who watch twitch gamers don't have the computing power to play the game or skills to play the game at a high level, or maybe just don't have the money to buy it. They're both forms of entertainment. I know how to play Mario, for example, but there's no way I can speedrun through the game like a bunch of twitch streamers can, and it's pretty cool to watch them do it. I don't think it's fair to look down upon one form of entertainment over another. 

In my experience as a early 20s millenial (and, honestly, probably exiting the target age demographic for twitch streamers), MSFS has the potential for gaining twitch popularity if there are compelling missions or a robust career mode. Anything goal-oriented parts of the sim could be streamed.

Heck, you could stream multiplayer interactions and it would be pretty popular. Case in point: Airforceproud95. This video has over 6 million views and he's gained a strong following on reddit and youtube through his comedy.

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Edited June 27, 20196 yr by A330-300

18 minutes ago, A330-300 said:

A lot of kids/teens who watch twitch gamers don't have the computing power to play the game or skills to play the game at a high level, or maybe just don't have the money to buy it.

In my experience as a early 20s millenial (and, honestly, probably exiting the target age demographic for twitch streamers), MSFS has the potential for gaining twitch popularity if there are compelling missions or a robust career mode. Anything goal-oriented parts of the sim could be streamed.

Heck, you could stream multiplayer interactions and it would be pretty popular. Case in point: Airforceproud95. This video has over 6 million views and he's gained a strong following on reddit and youtube through his comedy.

Okay, but will those 6 million views translate to people wanting to buy the actual game/flight simulation and fly it themselves? Or will they just be satisfied watching someone else fly it on YouTube? Memes and Clicks are transitory in this environment. Watch a cool thing for a few minutes, then change the channel to something else.

That's the danger (in my opinion) of assuming there is a huge untapped market for actually flying a sim out there. Maybe the new MSFS can pull it off. I'm just not assuming that this is possible until it happens.
 

8 hours ago, DaWu said:

Yeah thats ridiculous. I will never understand how one can watch someone else play a game and even donate money to them. What a waste of...everything

Do you never watch tv? When you boil it down, tv is just watching other people do something or pretend to do something. 

I cant stand twitch and streaming, but I am in my late 30s. I can see that it’s just a new version of something we’ve done since time immemorial. 

On 6/23/2019 at 4:31 PM, shivers9 said:

That Sir is the big old Elephant in the room! Thanks for saying it. That has been a worry since they made this announcement about a year and a half before they will be ready to go. It may be to cut off Ver 5 at the pass. I was not real impressed with their love letter on the site only to find out this could be just some sort of side venture with a French gaming company who they can drop a a moments notice and 1 phone call.

It seems a little odd, but with many people saying they aren't going to spend a dime more on P3D or XP , I'm feeling the urgency to "stock up" on the latest versions of both sims (and AF FS2) with all the add-ons available just in case doomsday strikes and they are forced out of business and then MS drops the news that MFS2020 will be no longer.  At least I will be able to happily continue simming until someone comes to the rescue.  I don't know how many people here remember Power Computing company.  They were successfully building Apple computer clones and were shut down overnight in 1996 (I believe) when Apple said they were revoking the right to use the Apple OS.

I guess friends don't call me "Mr. Darkside" for nothing.  LOL

Jeff Smith

Edited June 27, 20196 yr by JNS

1 hour ago, Flamingpie said:

AFS2 is nice and in fact it's the only sim I have installed right now but it is far from perfect. Extremely very utterly far. And the problem is it won't get near to perfect anytime soon: progress is way too slow... Think in years per feature. Which is why I am looking forward to Deadstick and later on MFS: I will probably dump AFS2 as soon as I have my hands on either of those sims. 

I didn't even know about "Deadstick" and it looks interesting - thanks!