6 hours ago, F737NG said:

Simple:
 

Not so simple 😏. Since the announcement I’ve said that I wanted a sim open to third party and I really do. But It works both ways and a little shake of the industry might be welcome, from my  user point of view.

Take the example of my favorite  scenery house if I look at the money spent on about 50 of their addons. They have been delaying for years a product that a lot of customers wanted and suddenly decide to do it after fs20 looms at the horizon, they release tons of products for a sim I don’t run, they make again and again the same regions that I have flown for years  and refuse to make sceneries that I and many would love to have. Look at other dev making again and again the same 20 airports in the US and EU. Their decision. We need them but if they don’t sell what I want to buy ?

With new sim, I’ll get Japan and the whole Asia, Florida, Italy, Greece, the Caribbean. At last.

 

 

43 minutes ago, domkle said:

We need them but if they don’t sell what I want to buy ?

As I said:

7 hours ago, F737NG said:

Obviously, they have to be of some interest to pick them up. 

If not, then there's no reason to buy.

Orbx are making TE GB Central and North, Flightbeam LFBO and NZAA, Drzewiecki Design Tokyo city plus RJTT and RJAA.
All of those are very interesting to me, bringing something new and exciting for me in P3D, therefore I will happily buy those.
 

22 minutes ago, F737NG said:

As I said:

If not, then there's no reason to buy.

Orbx are making TE GB Central and North, Flightbeam LFBO and NZAA, Drzewiecki Design Tokyo city plus RJTT and RJAA.
All of those are very interesting to me, bringing something new and exciting for me in P3D, therefore I will happily buy those.
 

Fair enough.

My only interest these days are OLC Asia and secondly Africa. Some of these regional products (yours and mine) may be released few months, maybe weeks ahead of the new sim and  already be technologically dated. They'd better be good. Few weeks back, Orbx had a lenghty thread about whether they should sell ZL16 or ZL17 products, hard pushing the former. Now MS tells us that the planet will be ZL19.

 

Edited October 1, 20196 yr by domkle

No more addon purchase for me. Does not matter if FS2020 is a month or a year away. 

Edited October 1, 20196 yr by mikced76

 

I'll be enjoying the add-ons that I have and saving cash for a new rig to run the new sim tbh.....

If something comes out that I really want then I'd consider a puchase, but would probably try and resist....

G

Yes, of course its worth investing in P3D addons for me. MSFS will certainly be the best sim ever, but this doesn't mean that P3D or XP are not good simulators too. The thought and development hours that has been put into these sims and add-on aircraft/sceneries cannot be thrown to the trash because a better sim will come.

I have said it before. The add-on aircraft that we have in P3D has their value that we won't have this in MSFS2020 on day one or even on day 200. If you like to fly the Airbus, would you fly the FSL airbus or the stock MSFS? If you like to fly the TBM, you will fly the HotStart (XP) or the stock MSFS? If you are up for quality of aircraft simulation, the answer is simple.

If you are only interested in the scenery around you, then yes MSFS will make you not fly P3D or XP again. But this being a simulation forum and not a game forum, I am impressed on how easily people forget the aircraft simulations that we have in the current sims. 

To better get my point, you can take it to another platform. DCS. Would you ever think to ditch DCS if MSFS included the same military aircraft? There is no chance you'd find that simulation fidelity and you would not think to do that, just because the ground and the clouds look more real in MSFS.

In the same way, I can't imagine for example not purchasing on day one the upcoming FSL A321, PMDG NG3 and A2A titles in P3Dv4. I can't wait for these.

When all these P3D, XP add-ons offer their versions in MSFS and if that happens, then I will slowly transition to an MSFS sim only. But this can take many years. I won't stop enjoying my worthy investment in P3D and XP and I will keep buying what I believe has a unique value.

All in all, autogen/trees and clouds is not the only thing that matters. It is amazing to see that, but aircraft simulation matters as much and more to me.

Edited October 1, 20196 yr by Daedalus

I agree with the above. Although money is a bit scarce for me so the NG3 will likely be my last purchase for P3D. I need to keep my 737 bug accounted for until one rolls into Flight Simulator.

29 minutes ago, Daedalus said:

Yes, of course its worth investing in P3D addons for me. MSFS will certainly be the best sim ever, but this doesn't mean that P3D or XP are not good simulators too. The thought and development hours that has been put into these sims and add-on aircraft/sceneries cannot be thrown to the trash because a better sim will come.

I have said it before. The add-on aircraft that we have in P3D has their value that we won't have this in MSFS2020 on day one or even on day 200. If you like to fly the Airbus, would you fly the FSL airbus or the stock MSFS? If you like to fly the TBM, you will fly the HotStart (XP) or the stock MSFS? If you are up for quality of aircraft simulation, the answer is simple.

If you are only interested in the scenery around you, then yes MSFS will make you not fly P3D or XP again. But this being a simulation forum and not a game forum, I am impressed on how easily people forget the aircraft simulations that we have in the current sims. 

To better get my point, you can take it to another platform. DCS. Would you ever think to ditch DCS if MSFS included the same military aircraft? There is no chance you'd find that simulation fidelity and you would not think to do that, just because the ground and the clouds look more real in MSFS.

In the same way, I can't imagine for example not purchasing on day one the upcoming FSL A321, PMDG NG3 and A2A titles in P3Dv4. I can't wait for these.

When all these P3D, XP add-ons offer their versions in MSFS and if that happens, then I will slowly transition to an MSFS sim only. But this can take many years. I won't stop enjoying my worthy investment in P3D and XP and I will keep buying what I believe has a unique value.

All in all, autogen/trees and clouds is not the only thing that matters. It is amazing to see that, but aircraft simulation matters as much and more to me.

In my situation, I only care about the visuals, as I have a full size flightdeck for avionics anyway.

I still want ORBx TrueEarth GB Central and North for P3D, together with MK Studos Dublin....and they are just the products at the top of the pile. As for thoughts of using P3D products in the new Microsoft Flight Simulator....good luck with that one. If you think that PMDG will allow you to use the P3D versions of their existing airliners in the new simulator, then I suggest that you think again.

I think people are completely underestimating how long it will take for aircraft addons to make it to MSFS 2020. It will be years for all of your favourite aircraft....especially jets to get there.  I just don't see PMDG, FSL etc flipping a switch and having these addons available on day one or month one.  So if you like to fly these aircraft you will end up in P3D, or X-Plane for some time and perhaps use MSFS for some VFR flying in the default aircraft.  So for me, I am just carrying on a normal as I expect I will be on P3D v4.x for at least a few more years before everything I want is available in MSFS.

p.s. The thing I am looking forward to the most is the contortions that PMDG, FSL and others will go through to justify their addon pricing at the same level as P3D even though MSFS is not a professional sim but an entertainment sim.  Should be fun!

2 minutes ago, MarkW said:

I think people are completely underestimating how long it will take for aircraft addons to make it to MSFS 2020. It will be years for all of your favourite aircraft....especially jets to get there.  I just don't see PMDG, FSL etc flipping a switch and having these addons available on day one or month one.

They've already had years to work on it, depending on when they got the heads-up and documentation.

Hook

10 minutes ago, LHookins said:

They've already had years to work on it, depending on when they got the heads-up and documentation.

Hook

That's an interesting viewpoint... who exactly, are you speaking of?  Any specific dev that you're aware of?  I'm just curious here because, when I read your statement, I laughed fit to bust a gut...

Edited October 1, 20196 yr by Milviz

1 hour ago, domkle said:

Few weeks back, Orbx had a lenghty thread about whether they should sell ZL16 or ZL17 products, hard pushing the former. Now MS tells us that the planet will be ZL19.

Not only that, there will be the choice to stream or pre-download.
Whichever way you look at it, it's great for us simmers.
Developers will have to adapt to Microsoft's shake-up to the market that you described earlier.
 

5 minutes ago, MarkW said:

I think people are completely underestimating how long it will take for aircraft addons to make it to MSFS 2020. It will be years for all of your favourite aircraft....especially jets to get there.

Correct!
This is why I'm still willing to spend some money on new P3D add-ons. For me, MFS will be excellent for GA flying and the odd IFR, but unless there's a 737, 787, Dash 8-400, or FSL-level A32x ready at launch, I will still use P3D to get my fix of payware scenery plus complex airliner flying.
When MFS is mature with a range of stable airliners, then will come the time to delete my current sim.

1 hour ago, Milviz said:

That's an interesting viewpoint... who exactly, are you speaking of?  Any specific dev that you're aware of?  I'm just curious here because, when I read your statement, I laughed fit to bust a gut...

Apparently not Milviz. 😄  Sorry 'bout that. 

No one has confirmed they're already working on the new sim.  Aerosoft was the first I know of to say that they couldn't say anything about it.  No one has denied working on the new sim, but we know Orbx's reaction when they heard about it.

So basically, we don't know, but at this point we can't rule it out.  Can you, as a developer, state that it is impossible?

Hook

Edited October 1, 20196 yr by LHookins

13 minutes ago, Milviz said:

That's an interesting viewpoint... who exactly, are you speaking of?  Any specific dev that you're aware of?  I'm just curious here because, when I read your statement, I laughed fit to bust a gut...

Actually, Microsoft have been working on this for the past 5 years.