4 hours ago, andyjohnston.net said:

Fear mongering.  Calling it "the Chinese virus" is akin to pointing blame at those people.

No body seems to be offended by:

Spanish Flu - named after Spain started reporting deaths from the flu

MERS - Middle East Respiratory Syndrome 

West Nile Virus - Named after the West Nile district of Uganda

Ebola Fever- named for the Ebola river in Zaire 

Marburg Virus Disease - named after Marburg Germany 

Zika Fever - named after the Zika forest in Uganda

Lassa Fever - named after Lassa, Nigeria

German Measles - named after doctors in Germany who discovered it

Chinese Flu/Corona Virus - named after the country in which it began.

I fail to see any outrage from people here in the US or the other countries/regions complaining about all the other diseases that were also named from the county/area in which the either began or where discovered.

Seems to be a lot of what they refer to as selective outrage.

If a new virus garners a name based on where it originated or was discovered I don’t see a problem with it. Here in the US we have viruses named after US locations as well.

 

Who is calling Covid-19 Chinese flu?  I searched and could only find one political leader mentioning it.  And I can't say more because of "politics".  But if a political statement of "chinese flu" is allowed, we should be able to talk about the source.  Just do a search     covid 19 "chinese flu"

6 hours ago, cmpbellsjc said:

If a new virus garners a name based on where it originated or was discovered I don’t see a problem with it. Here in the US we have viruses named after US locations as well.

Except that isn't the name.  It is often a sign of disrespect to use a different name.  Is disrespect intended in this case, well, seems some think so.  Do we want to discuss it here?  It certainly seems politically charged in the US.

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So far the only official terms I have seen are Coronavirus Disease and Covid-19.   https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/technical-guidance/naming-the-coronavirus-disease-(covid-2019)-and-the-virus-that-causes-it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics

 

Edited March 22, 20206 yr by GlideBy

3 minutes ago, GlideBy said:

Who is calling Covid-19 Chinese flu?  I searched and could only find one political leader mentioning it.  And I can't say more because of "politics".  But if a political statement of "chinese flu" is allowed, we should be able to talk about the source.  Just do a search     covid 19 "chinese flu"

Except that isn't the name.  It is often a sign of disrespect to use a different name.  Is disrespect intended in this case, well, seems some think so.  Do we want to discuss it here?

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That's rich indeed, after calling MSFS different names...

Except that isn't the name.  It is often a sign of disrespect to use a different name.  Is disrespect intended in this case, well, seems some think so.

Please, no, comparing the calling of Chinese Flu with FS2020!!

LOL, I'm surprised the guys here have not started calling Covid-19 Covid-2020!!

 

Edited March 22, 20206 yr by Wobbie

2 minutes ago, Wobbie said:

That's rich indeed, after calling MSFS different names...

Except that isn't the name.  It is often a sign of disrespect to use a different name.  Is disrespect intended in this case, well, seems some think so.

Please, no, comparing the calling of Chinese Flu with FS2020!!

I have always called it MSFS 2020.  I think you might have me confused with someone else.  

I didn't compare Covid-19 to MSFS 2020.  I didn't bring up MSFS at all, you did.  

But bottom line, the World Health Organization is NOT calling it Chinese flu.  The CDC is not calling it that either.  It has a official name.  Are you saying it is OK to make up other names?  Shouldn't we leave this up to official organizations?  

This whole name is political as far as I can see.  It seems to come from one source.  I can't discuss that, but why are people able to use the term?  Is this because they agree?  If the official name was "Chinese Flu" I wouldn't care.  I only care for the political reasons that can't be discussed.  So I am not allowed to say why exactly it is an issue.  But it is certainly a political issue, which is why we should stick with the official name.

The only official terms are Coronavirus Disease and Covid-19.   https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/technical-guidance/naming-the-coronavirus-disease-(covid-2019)-and-the-virus-that-causes-it 

Sorry, I was generalizing, not being personal at all. But calling things by their correct given name IS respectful! 

Comparing MS & Asobo calling the sim by it's correct name, with WHO & the CDC, against those calling things by madeup/thumbsucked names is valid indeed.

To add... The World Health Organization has a policy they use "to minimize unnecessary negative effects on nations, economies and people."

This article talks about the unintended consequences of these names, and specifically states "Terms that should be avoided in disease names include geographic locations (e.g. Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, Spanish Flu, Rift Valley fever), ..."    https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2015/naming-new-diseases/en/

Well! I wouldn't want to run afoul of the WHO's woke policies! Someone's feelings might get hurt!

Meanwhile, China lied about the presence and severity of the virus for months, abducted doctors who tried to warn the populace, publically blames the US military for planting the disease in Wuhan, and has threatened to cut off the supply of critical pharmaceuticals to the US in order to "plunge us into a sea of Coronavirus".

So spare me the drama about calling the Wuhan Flu the Wuhan Flu, mmmkay?

OK, a few facts about naming conventions.

The "Spanish Flu" did not originate in Spain:

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Spanish Influenza of 1918–1919 killed more than 50 million people worldwide over the course of two years.¹ The true origin of the 1918 influenza pandemic is unknown. During World War I, propaganda in war-engaged countries only permitted encouraging news, so as a neutral party, Spain was the first country to publicly report on the health crisis.¹ Thus, Spanish Influenza became a popular term. However, historical research has shown that Spain was an unlikely candidate as the initial source and some suggest that it originated in Kansas in the spring of 1918.

The government of Spain objected to the name at the time:

Source: The Osgood Journal, Osgood, Ripley County, Indiana. 16 Oct. 1918

There is a naming convention for viruses, under the auspices of the International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses.  The name of the virus currently in circulation is SARS-CoV-2. This is sometimes rendered in news coverage as "novel coronavirus," to distinguish this one from other coronaviruses.  The disease caused by the virus is called COVID-19 - short for "COronaVIrus Disease 2019."

@GlideBy notes the WHO policy on naming diseases.  Here's a link to the WHO's best practice statement. Here's a news announcement issued when that statement was published.

From that announcement:

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“In recent years, several new human infectious diseases have emerged. The use of names such as ‘swine flu’ and ‘Middle East Respiratory Syndrome’ has had unintended negative impacts by stigmatizing certain communities or economic sectors,” says Dr Keiji Fukuda, Assistant Director-General for Health Security, WHO. “This may seem like a trivial issue to some, but disease names really do matter to the people who are directly affected. We’ve seen certain disease names provoke a backlash against members of particular religious or ethnic communities, create unjustified barriers to travel, commerce and trade, and trigger needless slaughtering of food animals. This can have serious consequences for peoples’ lives and livelihoods.”

Here's a link to an article (behind paywall) in the journal Science about disease naming practices.

Here's an article in the American Journal of Public Health specifically about the name "Spanish Flu."

Am sharing all this in the spirit of supporting an informed conversation.  I hope it's helpful and I apologize if it offends.

 

Neat. The origin of Spanish Flu isn't conclusive according to one source and unsurprisingly, Spain complained about the moniker. But we know the origin of Wuhan Flu, so what are you talking about?

1 hour ago, Noodle said:

Neat. The origin of Spanish Flu isn't conclusive according to one source and unsurprisingly, Spain complained about the moniker. But we know the origin of Wuhan Flu, so what are you talking about?

I think the main take away from all the naming of viruses that have a country or region attached to it, is that a small group of people will find a way to be offended by it. That seems to be a trend now, not just for viruses.

It’s only a matter of time before tropical storms and hurricanes that typically have human names attached to them (Katrina, Humberto, Rita, etc) come under fire.

Anyway, I think this topic is starting to stray way off topic from where it started concerning MSFS and the possible delay of it.

On 3/17/2020 at 9:37 AM, Jonnoxx said:

 

But here is Bill Gates EXPLICIT call-to arms 5 years ago (2015) warning about the dangers of a coming pandemic, and the then complete lack of SUFFICIENT preparedness (at every level) for dealing with this eventuality. 

Gates could not have been clearer, and more level-headed.

The USA by contrast?  Has done absolutely NOTHING in this regard!  They have a lone NORAD command center buried in a mountain, a few nuclear missiles in hardened silos, or on submarines, or flying command centres in the air.  That's it.  Civil Defense? And a resilient infrastructure for the aftermath?  Non-existent!

 

I guess you never heard of DUMBs(Deep underground military bases). I was stationed at China Lake Naval Air station. They had a massive freight elevator in one the hangers that was heavily guarded. 

Bill Gates, Monsanto, vaccines and eugenics. How did Gates know about the coming pandemic?

Ted Talk 2010: Yes Gates was very clear! He gave us a 10 year warning that vaccines and healthcare can only reduce the worlds population by 15%.

CovFEFE

COV ID 19

When does big pharma make money?
Curing or containing?
Cancer /AIDS/etc...

In Case you missed this:

CEPI = Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovation.  CEPI was funded with 460M from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Wellcome Trust, WHO, the European Commission.

Cornavirus has a patent owned by Pirbright Institute.
Patent number: 10130701
Filed: July 23, 2015
Assignee: The Pirebright Institute
Inventors: Erica Bickerton, sarah Keep, Paul Britton

CNBC: Germany tries to stop US from luring away firm seeking coronavirus vaccine.
Curvac CEO meets with Trump on the 2nd of March. But then is suddenly replace by Curvac founder Ingmar Hoerr.
Biggest investor is Dietmar Hopp, one of the richest men in Germany. Father was a ranking word not allowed, worked for IBM, founded SAP. The other lead investor is the Gates foundation.
In 2017 CEPI awarded a 34m contract to Curvac.

 

On 2/25/2020 at 3:59 AM, mSparks said:

Yeah, but that would be boring.

I'm not sure there is anything more entertaining than getting the great unwashed to panic about this years seasonal flu outbreak. Its not quite to the comic standard of the radio version of "war of the worlds". But its close.

As long as Asobo keeps the TV switched off I'm sure they'll be fine, and anyway, they are based in France, must be a national holiday for the next few months there by now anyway.

yea, you are right, just a media hoax

OK, this one has cooked long past the point of well-done, and has devolved to PC politics.  Time to move along.