Hopefully we can start by having every single person not start their post with "been simming since 1776" as if that has any relevance in 2020.

Seriously, nobody cares how old you are nor does it matter how long you've used a flight simulator.

I spent a little bit of time watching the "gamer kiddies" on Twitch have a go with the new hot Flight Sim yesterday. It was extremely interesting. Here we sit as experienced simmers and real-world pilots miffed at how limited the default planes are in terms of flight model and systems depth. Meanwhile the truly inexperienced are holding on with a white-knuckle death grip screaming at the mystifying complexities of the Cessna 152 😄 First, they weren't helped by the extreme control sensitivity. A lot of them were, in fact, using an Xbox controller, some a keyboard and mouse only. But they kept with it. One guy had 50k+ viewers watching him. I checked back a couple of hours later and he'd started to get the hang of controlling the plane well enough and had a swarm of...who knows? 50-100+ viewers in the sim multiplayer flying around the Great Pyramids. He was having a blast! Later on in the evening, the light switch had flipped on, he's still on Flight Sim still having fun and commenting that there is no game out there that looks this cool. No game has ever delivered the world that looks as accurate and gorgeous.  This is coming from a guy better known for competitive shooter and fast twitch games.

A variation of this same pattern repeated itself across a few streams I watched. That's when it hit me...this is exactly what our little genre needs. Pure, ridiculous fun for people who don't know the first thing about flying an airplane  This is not the ONLY thing our genre needs from MSFS. But let's face it, despite the legitimate frustrations of many long times simmers from what was delivered in the initial release, we are all going to be here for the long run as long as the developer keeps their commitment to refining and expanding the platform. We'll all stick around long enough to see third parties deviler the complexity that is lacking in the default airplanes. We'll all stick around despite the hyperbole of declaring this sim "hot garbage"...don't even lie. You know it's true.

Edited August 19, 20205 yr by snglecoil
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1 hour ago, RudyB24 said:

There we have it again. Why is it that people on beforehand start to sort of excuse the developers by saying 'it's not to be expected to simulate an airliner with high fidelity'.

Why not? This is supposed to be the greatest flight sim release since 15 years. This is exactly what I would expect it to do, to simulate an airliner with high fidelity.

And how much are you willing to pay? As it stands right now.....high fidelity add ons for the two airliners on the new sim cost 134 USD each. 

 

Man listen if you get any golf related products in the sim you better be prepared to see a 2 mile long post about how tiger woods was on YouTube  trying to golf on MSFS2020 and he said that the ball simulated in FS2020 is not really as rounded out as the real golf ball is .... and the funny thing is that there’s going to be a few IKEA pilots and golf players that will agree with it just to stear things up .

15 minutes ago, langly said:

Hopefully we can start by having every single person not start their post with "been simming since 1776" as if that has any relevance in 2020.

Seriously, nobody cares how old you are nor does it matter how long you've used a flight simulator.

Let's get too carried away. There is a tiny bit of relevance in those statements. IMO

3 minutes ago, rtodepart said:

Man listen if you get any golf related products in the sim you better be prepared to see a 2 mile long post about how tiger woods was on YouTube  trying to golf on MSFS2020 and he said that the ball simulated in FS2020 is not really as rounded out as the real golf ball is .... and the funny thing is that there’s going to be a few IKEA pilots and golf players that will agree with it just to stear things up .

And just wait for PGA Tour 2k21 to release this week 😄

18 minutes ago, langly said:

Hopefully we can start by having every single person not start their post with "been simming since 1776" as if that has any relevance in 2020.

Seriously, nobody cares how old you are nor does it matter how long you've used a flight simulator.

With a reply like this I personally can’t take anything you said seriously. Show some respect to others opinions and learn how to agree to disagree. 

Well, I've been simming "since 1776" and I welcome the newcomers to our wonderful world of flight simming.  The more the merrier.

These newcomers don't really need a PMDG quality airliner to have fun.  Or even an especially good one.  We had plenty of fun with the default airliners in FSX and previous.  The MSFS airliners are only as good as they need to be, and that's all that is necessary.  Of course there are still a few bugs in the autopilot... 😄 But you can't fly a 747 inverted under the Golden Gate Bridge on autopilot.  At least I don't *think* you can, I've always done it manually. 😄 

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8 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Well, I've been simming "since 1776"

You played Microsoft horse and buggy simulator too?  Great sim in it’s day!  😄

3 hours ago, regis9 said:

Logic

 

1 hour ago, kaosfere said:

Even more logic, and reality

Great posts people, and good luck getting through to anyone with it!

A worthy effort.

35 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Well, I've been simming "since 1776" and I welcome the newcomers to our wonderful world of flight simming.  The more the merrier.

Gee Larry, you were there too when we bombed the British airport near Camden? 

What unit were you with? I flew with the 8th Colonial Air Corps.  😎

They basically added "ism" to everything that was funny or made one individual different from another...

3 hours ago, RudyB24 said:

There we have it again. Why is it that people on beforehand start to sort of excuse the developers by saying 'it's not to be expected to simulate an airliner with high fidelity'.

Why not? This is supposed to be the greatest flight sim release since 15 years. This is exactly what I would expect it to do, to simulate an airliner with high fidelity.

They have a limited amount of resources and time. If they want this to be successful, they have to broaden out and cater to the masses. The majority of gamers that come to MSFS will be more pleased to see a variety of airplanes than a single study-level 737 (that, when crafted by another company, would cost more than the current simulator itself)... Plus, if they spent all of their resources on developing this one airplane, surely other areas of the sim would be lacking and contain even more bugs. They wanted to make the airplanes flyable and somewhat accurate, and that's what they did. 

You shouldn't be expecting a $60 simulator to be giving you several $100+ study-level-quality airplanes. It just isn't possible for them. Their focus is the base sim so that 3rd party developers can come in and do the job they do best (as they are the experts - the engineers at PMDG are FAR better at creating an accurate 737 than the Asobo devs - that's just how it works - they have experience).

I hope nobody was expecting study level planes in the base sim. What we got is still pretty incredible. The fact that every plane has a functioning FMC-type system with SIDs and STARs and has most electrical systems simulated is great.

3 hours ago, regis9 said:

Since the release of MSFS (and even pre-release) there has been a lot of angst on this forum against the thought that MSFS would be a "game" rather than a "sim", and that it would be "dumbed down" so that "xbox kids" and newbies could play it...all to the determent of it being acceptable to hard core simulators.

 Nicely said .. i support your comments and perspective

Edited August 19, 20205 yr by n4gix
Christ on a Crutch! Do not quote the entire post for a single sentence reply!!!

On 8/19/2020 at 7:27 PM, langly said:

Hopefully we can start by having every single person not start their post with "been simming since 1776" as if that has any relevance in 2020.

Seriously, nobody cares how old you are nor does it matter how long you've used a flight simulator.

Hopefully we can start by not having every post of yours mentioning that "you worked on games" or that "you are a 3PD" because

1-no one believes you

2-no one cares