51 minutes ago, rob0203 said:

Sounds great! Too bad I am a IFR jet flyer, and can’t even undock PFD / ND / EICAS to a second screen in my home cockpit, and the jets really are not good.

But I must admit the weather and VFR flying are a good experience.

 

 

 

Rob I feel a little bad for you and all my other friends who prefer jets.  Unfortunately these are default jets and I don't expect that level of functionality....or any really at all.  I guess we'll have to wait for Aerosoft, PMDG, etc

3 hours ago, qacmemphis said:

I just downloaded MFS and played it for an hour or so. For people who are wondering, how it compares to X-Plane 11 - it really doesn't. MFS feels like a game. The only hyped thing about - the 2 PB graphics - they are surely better than X-Plane, but nothing amazing (I am talking not about special places like N.Y. or so, but actual random cities, which were not hand crafted). MFS doesnt have (or at least I wasnt able to find) "Cold startup", the controls with keyboard and mouse are possible, but only by using keyboard to steer (system doesnt seem to detect GlovePIE virtual joystick). Rudder also goes full left - center - full right. No inbetween like in X-Plane. Of course, if you have full joystick or even hotas you dont care about that, but I do. The camera controls are very dull, overally it feels just like a game. If you like X-Plane for its simulation capabilities and not graphical awesomeness - dont even look at MFS. The menu too looks like it belongs to a game, not a proper simulator. Personally I missed mostly the "Cold start" option and mouse steering.

I dont mean to be rude, but what the hell are you doing with xplane when you sit there flying with mouse and keyboard? If you think MSFS is such a game, you seem to have the setup for it. 

25 minutes ago, snglecoil said:

Correct! The camera system underwent a huge transformation for the better during alpha/beta. In keeping with the thread title, one could argue they made it more XPlane like

That's evidence that at least in one case, Asobo was listening and responding to Alpha tester input. When discussing the camera system and saved cockpit views in particular, I remember many of us were saying "Just copy how XP does it." 😀

 

3 hours ago, qacmemphis said:

I just downloaded MFS and played it for an hour or so. For people who are wondering, how it compares to X-Plane 11 - it really doesn't. MFS feels like a game. The only hyped thing about - the 2 PB graphics - they are surely better than X-Plane, but nothing amazing (I am talking not about special places like N.Y. or so, but actual random cities, which were not hand crafted). MFS doesnt have (or at least I wasnt able to find) "Cold startup", the controls with keyboard and mouse are possible, but only by using keyboard to steer (system doesnt seem to detect GlovePIE virtual joystick). Rudder also goes full left - center - full right. No inbetween like in X-Plane. Of course, if you have full joystick or even hotas you dont care about that, but I do. The camera controls are very dull, overally it feels just like a game. If you like X-Plane for its simulation capabilities and not graphical awesomeness - dont even look at MFS. The menu too looks like it belongs to a game, not a proper simulator. Personally I missed mostly the "Cold start" option and mouse steering.

 

This is just as much of a simulator as Xplane is.  When the 3rd party developers provide some high fidelity aircraft and with some FS20 bug fixes, I am confident that MSFS20 will have a huge community of simmers.

1 hour ago, andrecarli737 said:

I'm starting to think that flight simmers are masochists. They love the old and not intuitive UI, low fps, 300+ hours of tweaking and thousands of $ spent on add-ons. 

You forgot "ugly" as well 😂

Inact buttons on the A320 ...  a shame ...

Half of the buttons are "inact"

Edited August 19, 20205 yr by dhirna91

The 120 million USD a320 doesn't have inop buttons. You can buy that instead? I hear there are only minor bugs in it.

FSLabs will launch their a320 in good time, and it wont have any inop buttons. But it also costs over a 100 USD.

Im a huge fan of XP11 and it will always remain on my system because I prefer landclass style over photoscenery.

However, even me  - a Laminar fan 😁  - will say that this MSFS is just amazing. Yes it is aimed more than ever at not just a simmer crowd but the casual gamer crowd as well -  and thats fine.

One of the biggest flaws in XP11 and one I really really hate are airports where its just a runway. Thats it. Not even autogen little building, a control tower, nothing. Just a barren field and a strip of asphalt. 

And now we have this MSFS where Im seeing vids of lussh scenery ,  nice autogen buildings at airfields and small airports. Its amazing what a difference such little things can make. In this respect even FSX was better than XP11. Also the autogen forests look spectacular. I know XP11 cannot touch any of this. 

For those that have got MSFS its just a matter of time before you all get used to the menu system and where everything sits. Every sim has had its growing pains. 

For me its not a competition  - how can it ever be? A small team vs. the juggernaut power of MS, Asobo & Azure.

One day I will get MSFS and use it for low & slow GA flying and then jump to XP11 for my airliner fix (Zibo). I will keep both sims., they'll sit on my system happy and content 😄

Edited August 19, 20205 yr by ThrottleUp

2 hours ago, devgrp said:

Thats what I want to know too. What defines a sim vs a game because as far as I'm concerned every game related thing can be done in XP. I can use an Xbox controller, I can crash and bounce, I can invert a jet, I can land at ridiculous speeds etc

A simulator makes it as much similar to the real as possible, it doesnt have a "magic" button Auto-Control that will fly the plane by itself. When I saw the autoland, autotakeoff, autocontrol i felt like those mobile flightsims

Those are game features

People get the wrong idea about autopilot or autoland because they "think" they exist in real aviation.

They dont. Autoland for example is a very complicated process, more than manually flying. All "auto" features in aviation require more work than manual flying (programming fmc, inputs, configuring plane, instruments etc)

Edited August 19, 20205 yr by kapitan

2 hours ago, ryanbatcund said:

At the end of the day we're just sitting in our comfy chairs in front of a PC screen

Yes, but sometimes an uncomfortable chair in front of five controllers, seven monitors, networked programs,  Goflight modules, buttkickers and a partridge in a pear tree 🙂

Over time this will only get better folks. How long has XP11 been out? Day 1 with the new sim and it blows P3D and XP11 out of the water in terms of stock scenery (even if P3D and XP11 have a slew of add ons) Night and day difference.

Are we really trying to have a MSFS vs XP11 debate?

Avg Steam MSF players...40k, 24hr peak...57k

https://steamcharts.com/app/1250410

Avg Steam XP11 players 1.5k, 24hr peak...1.8k

https://steamcharts.com/app/269950

10 minutes ago, kapitan said:

A simulator makes it as much similar to the real as possible, it doesnt have a "magic" button Auto-Control that will fly the plane by itself. When I saw the autoland, autotakeoff, autocontrol i felt like those mobile flightsims

Those are game features

It's not an either/or, binary question. A software product that has a large enough number of user settings can be tailored for either a realistic simulator experience, or a more casual gaming experience. You just ignore the settings for the mode you don't want and pretend they don't exist. Combat flight sims have done that for years, in order to make enough sales in a niche market.

I don't personally object to this approach, as long as it doesn't lead to an opportunity cost, where developer time is taken away from work on the more serious simulation features. With a large enough team it should be possible to offer both types of experience. 

Well, this game was made to be Xbox compatible, flown and navigated through menus with a game controller so not really sure what you expected! 

3 hours ago, cepact said:

I cringe so much reading these game/sim comparisons. Define what's a game and define what's a simulator so that we can understand what the hell you are talking about.

You will start cold and dark if you pick parking spot in an airport

Didn’t read the following 5 pages yet, but this one really gets me.  “Feels like a game” but apparently the OP did the gamiest of all gaming moves, he started the flight on the active runway. ROFL.

so “feels like a game”.  Alright, I don’t feel that way, but it can be a fair comment, there are some gamey things there, and it’s gonna be released in the Xbox.  But can I say how I feel too?  Here goes:  XPlane feels like it’s Austin Meyer’s school science fair project.

(drops mic.  Walks out)