Lets work to clean up such threads and pay more attention to flying.  Make sure to report all weirdness to the team.

Cheers

bs

8 minutes ago, kaosfere said:

There's plenty to talk about in terms of specific problems and fixes, but I think the general argument has been done to death already.

You know, I don't read every thread. 🙂 This is a very useful skill to develop and I recommend it to everyone. 😄 

Hook

Let's point out something that got under the radar a little with all the complaints. I am surprised how stable this sim runs (0 CTDs with me) and how stable the servers performed at launch day. But that's probably due to the stress test aka Alpha. 😄

Edited August 31, 20205 yr by tweekz

7 minutes ago, kaosfere said:

Is anyone else starting to feel like threads that exist only to argue about whether or not the game was ready for release (or if everyone at Asobo and Microsoft needs to be taken to The Hague for 225@3) should be subject to an auto-lock?   

As the OP, rest assured, this was in no way "started" as a discussion as to whether it should have been released (or NOT).  It seems that in almost every other thread, someone is making the comment that the game was released too early.

It was sort of my response to all of those nay sayers that seem to be saying that it would have BETTER to deprive the non alpha or beta testers of the chance to experience this simulator.  My point is that everything in this world is flawed, and we pay our money and take our chances.  And I am very glad that the game was released.  No argument necessary.  If one didn't want to buy a "buggy" game, you one have waited, read the reviews, and then made a decision.

That's all this thread is.

Did you know that some bugs may never be discovered because the code is never run?😧

Regards

bs

Edited August 31, 20205 yr by bean_sprout

So by your logic, it is ok with you if software products are released to the paying public in a somewhat unfinished state, because nothing is perfect?

While I was an alpha/beta tester,  and I believe that it wasn't ready for prime time, what you are suggesting can lead to a very slippery slope, as everyone's definition of suitability can differ...

Let me asked you personally... What level of disfunction in MSFS would have changed your opinion on whether or not MSFS was suitable for release? 😀

 

Edited August 31, 20205 yr by flybius
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I really, reallyreally hope we get the inside scoop someday on why this was released when it was. I've been involved in the game dev industry for over a decade and following the developer updates and patch notes my expectation was holiday 2020 release. I totally agree that I'm happy to fly now with what works and stick to my C152 VFR flight which is by itself more than enough to keep me happy for a good while. Buuuut at the same time I also think Asobo/MS could have saved themselves a lot of headache baking this a bit longer in the oven. Or, at the very least admitted the full state of the product upon release. I feel that many of the hurt simmers were not closely following the dev updates (which were all great, btw) and thus were not ready for the state the game was released in.

Anyways, it's all pretty moot. Game is out, now to just see how well Asobo/MS deal with the "product as service" approach in the coming years

Edited August 31, 20205 yr by Gaiiden

Maybe it should have been called a "Prologue" version??

Edited August 31, 20205 yr by DavidP

19 minutes ago, LHookins said:

You know, I don't read every thread. 🙂 This is a very useful skill to develop and I recommend it to everyone. 😄 

Oh, trust me, I'm plenty capable of not reading every thread.   But when we have six different "this game sucks" / "no it doesn't" threads on the front page it pushes other interesting ones off. 😄

15 minutes ago, LarryD said:

As the OP, rest assured, this was in no way "started" as a discussion as to whether it should have been released (or NOT).

Oh yeah, I understood your intent, no worries.  It just gave me the springboard to broach the topic of "do we really need this" in general. 🙂

 

I'm happy they released the simulator early so I could finally try it out even with all the issues, and especially because it looks like they are accelerating the bug-fixing and polish as the feedback is flowing in. But I really wish they would've tackled the awful download client before to save me and many others the exhausting process of trying to get it to work. I feel that this is the one thing that held it back from being, even if work-in-progress, a product ready for release considering its very decent stability once it's properly installed.

41 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

Every one is happy now then we all paid Beta testers.

Since the 80s for me.

bs

I was one of the Alpha/Beta testers and thought the sim was released slightly too early (I thought it would release at the end of October), mostly because I feared that it would get off to a bad start with poor reviews from people who expected the perfect sim straight away, luckily the reviews were generally good and the people who are bashing it generally are the stanch other sim supporters who protect "their" sim above anything else.

All newly released apps/sims/games have their bugs and need various patches after launch, MSFS is no different.

As the world is, humanity will not last long. it's good that flight simulator has already appeared. leave the drama.

I will suggest that there is a bit of a disparity between the alpha/beta folks and the newly minted paying customers because the alpha/beta folks have experienced the excitement of what is offered in MSFS for a longer period of time.

Bottom line is we cannot get to the great improvements of MSFS to come, until it is released...

 

To answer the topics question and in a single word: No