VRAM, new graphics cards and MSFS

[Ray Proudfoot 8,903]

9 minutes ago, neil0311 said:

I bought the digital version of MSFS 2020, so don’t know what it says on the packaging. All of the previous versions were both developed and published by Microsoft, so this is a little bit of a change, but not unusual in the software gaming market. 

I didn't want to continue this debate as it'soff-topic but would you have bought it had the name on the box been Asobo? A change of developer is a massive change. Who had heard of them until 15 months ago? Done for pure marketing purposes but very misleading because I suspect Microsoft programmers were nowhere near it. And it shows.

[IanHarrison 521]

10 minutes ago, neil0311 said:

I bought the digital version of MSFS 2020, so don’t know what it says on the packaging. All of the previous versions were both developed and published by Microsoft, so this is a little bit of a change, but not unusual in the software gaming market. 

It isn't a package: Ray said 'box' (in inverted commas).

[GCBraun 2,390]

14 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I didn't want to continue this debate as it'soff-topic but would you have bought it had the name on the box been Asobo? A change of developer is a massive change. Who had heard of them until 15 months ago? Done for pure marketing purposes but very misleading because I suspect Microsoft programmers were nowhere near it. And it shows.

Sorry, but I have to jump in...

What you mean by "it shows"? Have you purchased the product or is there some sort of regional rivalry going on here? What is the point of mentioning the developers are French?? 

You may not have heard of ASOBO, but I and many others did. They are an established studio currently with two titles on the Steam top-10 list.

With that  being said, MSFS is a great product at launch with the best set of default GA aircraft ever released on a base simulator, amazing graphics, groundbreaking scenery and weather technologies and performing much, much better than FSX back in the day.

In other words, it is precisely what I have hoped for: an astonishingly well designed base sim that will for be a great platform for users and third-party developers (already is scenery-wise and will be IFR-wise once the SDK is improved).

As I said before: may the simming dieties forever bless whichever MS manager selected ASOBO for this project!

 

Edited September 14, 2020 by GCBraun

[Ray Proudfoot 8,903]

I haven't purchased it but as a mod I have had to approve a lot of posts from new members who have problems with basic things. And these have been mentioned by many more established members.

1) The A/P on several aircraft don't work. 2) Joysticks and other related hardware wasn't being correctly recognised. 3) Weather not live but delayed.

Had the beta period been longer I'm sure many of these could have been sorted out.

Just some of the more common complaints raised. I didn't mention the nationality of the company. I don't subscribe to Steam so have never heard of Asobo. It just seems odd that Asobo have developed it but Microsoft's name is on the 'box'. Done for marketing purposes I'm sure.

That's all I'm saying as I don't wish to deflect further from the topic.

[Bob Scott 7,704]

13 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

Sorry, but I have to jump in...

What you mean by "it shows"? Have you purchased the product or is there some sort of regional rivalry going on here? What is the point of mentioning the developers are French??

Where did anyone mention that the developers are French??  All I see is the point that the developers are external to Microsoft, not that they are French, or European, etc.

[GCBraun 2,390]

21 minutes ago, w6kd said:

Where did anyone mention that the developers are French??  All I see is the point that the developers are external to Microsoft, not that they are French, or European, etc.

See the quote below:

24 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

But of course it isn’t. It’s created by a French company with no previous experience in flight simulation. That might go some way in explaining its pretty dreadful state on release.

MSFS is absolutely not "dreadful" and even if it was, it has nothing to do with the company being french.

It is arguably in a much better state than P3D v5 wich just crashed on me (DGXI device hung). Never had a single crash in almost 100 hours of usage in MSFS...

Edited September 14, 2020 by GCBraun

[Bert Pieke 7,584]

33 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

That's all I'm saying as I don't wish to deflect further from the topic.

Thank you!  😄

[Bert Pieke 7,584]

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I didn't want to continue this debate as it'soff-topic but would you have bought it had the name on the box been Asobo? A change of developer is a massive change. Who had heard of them until 15 months ago? Done for pure marketing purposes but very misleading because I suspect Microsoft programmers were nowhere near it. And it shows.

 

If you would like to get to know the background and inform yourself.. watch some of the excellent developer videos that Microsoft and Asobo have released over the last year.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Bert Pieke

[carlito777 712]

Kind of disturbing to see mods ranting about a product they don‘t even own. Mods are supposed to act like role models on a forum. 

[micstatic 4,294]

Back to the topic.  I'll be getting the 3090.  If the 3080ti was definitely coming and we had a locked in VRAM figure that would probably be my pick.  But I haven't seen anything that seems to lock that in.  

[micstatic 4,294]

interesting enough.  Gamers nexus will be including MSFS in benchmarking of the new cards.  this should be a big help for all of us. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/MicrosoftFlightSim/comments/isme4w/gamersnexus_will_be_benchmarking_msfs_2020_for/

Edited September 14, 2020 by micstatic

[edvb 8]

Yes I saw that. That will help in the decision of which way to go on my rebuild. 

[GCBraun 2,390]

26 minutes ago, micstatic said:

Back to the topic.  I'll be getting the 3090.  If the 3080ti was definitely coming and we had a locked in VRAM figure that would probably be my pick.  But I haven't seen anything that seems to lock that in.  

There is a gap of 14gb of VRAM between the 3080 and the 3090. All previous generations have had Ti versions. I am pretty sure it will come or at least be announced until the mid of 2021.

Considering the huge loss of value, I may end up keeping my 2080Ti until that happens...

[micstatic 4,294]

25 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

There is a gap of 14gb of VRAM between the 3080 and the 3090. All previous generations have had Ti versions. I am pretty sure it will come or at least be announced until the mid of 2021.

Considering the huge loss of value, I may end up keeping my 2080Ti until that happens...

yeah that makes sense.  Assuming the benchmarks show some value in MSFS at 4k I'll probably go 3090 as I don't see myself waiting another year.  Not to mention I can immediately use the extra VRAM in V5.  MSFS says I'm GPU limited.  So I would expect some improvement.  

[neil0311 366]

9 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I didn't want to continue this debate as it'soff-topic but would you have bought it had the name on the box been Asobo? A change of developer is a massive change. Who had heard of them until 15 months ago? Done for pure marketing purposes but very misleading because I suspect Microsoft programmers were nowhere near it. And it shows.

Sorry if my comment came off as a debate. Wasn’t intended to be taken that way.

Meant it more as information, as some people don’t realize that a software publisher may not be the developer and vice versa.