September 14, 20205 yr Moderator 9 minutes ago, neil0311 said: I bought the digital version of MSFS 2020, so don’t know what it says on the packaging. All of the previous versions were both developed and published by Microsoft, so this is a little bit of a change, but not unusual in the software gaming market. I didn't want to continue this debate as it'soff-topic but would you have bought it had the name on the box been Asobo? A change of developer is a massive change. Who had heard of them until 15 months ago? Done for pure marketing purposes but very misleading because I suspect Microsoft programmers were nowhere near it. And it shows. Ray (Cheshire, England). System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant. Cheadle Hulme Weather website.
September 14, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, neil0311 said: I bought the digital version of MSFS 2020, so don’t know what it says on the packaging. All of the previous versions were both developed and published by Microsoft, so this is a little bit of a change, but not unusual in the software gaming market. It isn't a package: Ray said 'box' (in inverted commas). Intel i7 6700K @4.3. 32gb Gskill 3200 RAM. Z170x Gigabyte m/b. 28" LG HD monitor. Win 10 Home. 500g Samsung 960 as Windows home. 1 Gb Mushkin SSD for P3D. GTX 1080 8gb.
September 14, 20205 yr 14 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said: I didn't want to continue this debate as it'soff-topic but would you have bought it had the name on the box been Asobo? A change of developer is a massive change. Who had heard of them until 15 months ago? Done for pure marketing purposes but very misleading because I suspect Microsoft programmers were nowhere near it. And it shows. Sorry, but I have to jump in... What you mean by "it shows"? Have you purchased the product or is there some sort of regional rivalry going on here? What is the point of mentioning the developers are French?? You may not have heard of ASOBO, but I and many others did. They are an established studio currently with two titles on the Steam top-10 list. With that being said, MSFS is a great product at launch with the best set of default GA aircraft ever released on a base simulator, amazing graphics, groundbreaking scenery and weather technologies and performing much, much better than FSX back in the day. In other words, it is precisely what I have hoped for: an astonishingly well designed base sim that will for be a great platform for users and third-party developers (already is scenery-wise and will be IFR-wise once the SDK is improved). As I said before: may the simming dieties forever bless whichever MS manager selected ASOBO for this project! Edited September 14, 20205 yr by GCBraun PC1: AMD Ryzen 9800X3D | Zotac RTX 5090 SOLID | Asus TUF X670E-Plus | G.SKILL 64GB DDR5 PC 6000 CL30 | 4TB NVMe | Noctua NH-D15 | Asus TUF 1000W Gold | be quiet! Pure Base 500DX | Noctua NH-D15S | LG OLED CX 48" + 2x Acer Nitro XV240YP 24" + 2x 15.6" Touch-screen Panels PC2: AMD Ryzen 7500F | Asrock 7900 GRE Challenger OC | Gigabyte B650I AX | Corsair 32GB DDR5 6000 CL36 | 1TB NVMe | CM Hyper 212 | Corsair 750W Gold | Lian Li TU150 ITX | SAMSUNG Odyssey G9 49" Winctrl Ursa Minor Sidestick + Ursa Minor 32 Throttle & PAC - Thrustmaster Boeing TCA Yoke - Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog - Honeycomb Bravo Throttle - MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals - TrackIR - Stream Deck XL + Stream Deck Plus - Winctrl MCDU + 2 MFD's - Meta Quest 3 (VR)
September 14, 20205 yr Moderator I haven't purchased it but as a mod I have had to approve a lot of posts from new members who have problems with basic things. And these have been mentioned by many more established members. 1) The A/P on several aircraft don't work. 2) Joysticks and other related hardware wasn't being correctly recognised. 3) Weather not live but delayed. Had the beta period been longer I'm sure many of these could have been sorted out. Just some of the more common complaints raised. I didn't mention the nationality of the company. I don't subscribe to Steam so have never heard of Asobo. It just seems odd that Asobo have developed it but Microsoft's name is on the 'box'. Done for marketing purposes I'm sure. That's all I'm saying as I don't wish to deflect further from the topic. Ray (Cheshire, England). System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant. Cheadle Hulme Weather website.
September 14, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, GCBraun said: Sorry, but I have to jump in... What you mean by "it shows"? Have you purchased the product or is there some sort of regional rivalry going on here? What is the point of mentioning the developers are French?? Where did anyone mention that the developers are French?? All I see is the point that the developers are external to Microsoft, not that they are French, or European, etc. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
September 14, 20205 yr 21 minutes ago, w6kd said: Where did anyone mention that the developers are French?? All I see is the point that the developers are external to Microsoft, not that they are French, or European, etc. See the quote below: 24 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said: But of course it isn’t. It’s created by a French company with no previous experience in flight simulation. That might go some way in explaining its pretty dreadful state on release. MSFS is absolutely not "dreadful" and even if it was, it has nothing to do with the company being french. It is arguably in a much better state than P3D v5 wich just crashed on me (DGXI device hung). Never had a single crash in almost 100 hours of usage in MSFS... Edited September 14, 20205 yr by GCBraun PC1: AMD Ryzen 9800X3D | Zotac RTX 5090 SOLID | Asus TUF X670E-Plus | G.SKILL 64GB DDR5 PC 6000 CL30 | 4TB NVMe | Noctua NH-D15 | Asus TUF 1000W Gold | be quiet! Pure Base 500DX | Noctua NH-D15S | LG OLED CX 48" + 2x Acer Nitro XV240YP 24" + 2x 15.6" Touch-screen Panels PC2: AMD Ryzen 7500F | Asrock 7900 GRE Challenger OC | Gigabyte B650I AX | Corsair 32GB DDR5 6000 CL36 | 1TB NVMe | CM Hyper 212 | Corsair 750W Gold | Lian Li TU150 ITX | SAMSUNG Odyssey G9 49" Winctrl Ursa Minor Sidestick + Ursa Minor 32 Throttle & PAC - Thrustmaster Boeing TCA Yoke - Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog - Honeycomb Bravo Throttle - MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals - TrackIR - Stream Deck XL + Stream Deck Plus - Winctrl MCDU + 2 MFD's - Meta Quest 3 (VR)
September 14, 20205 yr 33 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said: That's all I'm saying as I don't wish to deflect further from the topic. Thank you! 😄 Bert
September 14, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said: I didn't want to continue this debate as it'soff-topic but would you have bought it had the name on the box been Asobo? A change of developer is a massive change. Who had heard of them until 15 months ago? Done for pure marketing purposes but very misleading because I suspect Microsoft programmers were nowhere near it. And it shows. If you would like to get to know the background and inform yourself.. watch some of the excellent developer videos that Microsoft and Asobo have released over the last year. Edited September 14, 20205 yr by Bert Pieke Bert
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September 14, 20205 yr Back to the topic. I'll be getting the 3090. If the 3080ti was definitely coming and we had a locked in VRAM figure that would probably be my pick. But I haven't seen anything that seems to lock that in. 5800X3D, 4090FE, 64GB DDR4 3600C16, Gigabyte X570S MB, EVO 970 M.2's, Alienware 3821DW and 2 22" monitors, Corsair RM1000x PSU, 360MM MSI MEG, MFG Crosswind, T16000M Stick, Boeing TCA Yoke/Throttle, Skalarki MCDU and FCU, Logitech Radio Panel/Switch Panel, Spad.Next
September 14, 20205 yr interesting enough. Gamers nexus will be including MSFS in benchmarking of the new cards. this should be a big help for all of us. https://www.reddit.com/r/MicrosoftFlightSim/comments/isme4w/gamersnexus_will_be_benchmarking_msfs_2020_for/ Edited September 14, 20205 yr by micstatic 5800X3D, 4090FE, 64GB DDR4 3600C16, Gigabyte X570S MB, EVO 970 M.2's, Alienware 3821DW and 2 22" monitors, Corsair RM1000x PSU, 360MM MSI MEG, MFG Crosswind, T16000M Stick, Boeing TCA Yoke/Throttle, Skalarki MCDU and FCU, Logitech Radio Panel/Switch Panel, Spad.Next
September 14, 20205 yr Yes I saw that. That will help in the decision of which way to go on my rebuild. Asus ROG Strix x 470-f, Ryzen 2700X,Flare X (4x8)3200 CL14 ,EVGA GTX 1070 Ti, 970 EVO 500GB NVMe, 860 EVO 1TB, 860 EVO 2TB,Seasonic TX-850, Hauppauge 1 HVR-1265, LG 27UK650-W 4K Monitor
September 14, 20205 yr 26 minutes ago, micstatic said: Back to the topic. I'll be getting the 3090. If the 3080ti was definitely coming and we had a locked in VRAM figure that would probably be my pick. But I haven't seen anything that seems to lock that in. There is a gap of 14gb of VRAM between the 3080 and the 3090. All previous generations have had Ti versions. I am pretty sure it will come or at least be announced until the mid of 2021. Considering the huge loss of value, I may end up keeping my 2080Ti until that happens... PC1: AMD Ryzen 9800X3D | Zotac RTX 5090 SOLID | Asus TUF X670E-Plus | G.SKILL 64GB DDR5 PC 6000 CL30 | 4TB NVMe | Noctua NH-D15 | Asus TUF 1000W Gold | be quiet! Pure Base 500DX | Noctua NH-D15S | LG OLED CX 48" + 2x Acer Nitro XV240YP 24" + 2x 15.6" Touch-screen Panels PC2: AMD Ryzen 7500F | Asrock 7900 GRE Challenger OC | Gigabyte B650I AX | Corsair 32GB DDR5 6000 CL36 | 1TB NVMe | CM Hyper 212 | Corsair 750W Gold | Lian Li TU150 ITX | SAMSUNG Odyssey G9 49" Winctrl Ursa Minor Sidestick + Ursa Minor 32 Throttle & PAC - Thrustmaster Boeing TCA Yoke - Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog - Honeycomb Bravo Throttle - MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals - TrackIR - Stream Deck XL + Stream Deck Plus - Winctrl MCDU + 2 MFD's - Meta Quest 3 (VR)
September 14, 20205 yr 25 minutes ago, GCBraun said: There is a gap of 14gb of VRAM between the 3080 and the 3090. All previous generations have had Ti versions. I am pretty sure it will come or at least be announced until the mid of 2021. Considering the huge loss of value, I may end up keeping my 2080Ti until that happens... yeah that makes sense. Assuming the benchmarks show some value in MSFS at 4k I'll probably go 3090 as I don't see myself waiting another year. Not to mention I can immediately use the extra VRAM in V5. MSFS says I'm GPU limited. So I would expect some improvement. 5800X3D, 4090FE, 64GB DDR4 3600C16, Gigabyte X570S MB, EVO 970 M.2's, Alienware 3821DW and 2 22" monitors, Corsair RM1000x PSU, 360MM MSI MEG, MFG Crosswind, T16000M Stick, Boeing TCA Yoke/Throttle, Skalarki MCDU and FCU, Logitech Radio Panel/Switch Panel, Spad.Next
September 15, 20205 yr 9 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said: I didn't want to continue this debate as it'soff-topic but would you have bought it had the name on the box been Asobo? A change of developer is a massive change. Who had heard of them until 15 months ago? Done for pure marketing purposes but very misleading because I suspect Microsoft programmers were nowhere near it. And it shows. Sorry if my comment came off as a debate. Wasn’t intended to be taken that way. Meant it more as information, as some people don’t realize that a software publisher may not be the developer and vice versa.
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