6 minutes ago, Daytona125 said:

Anyone know if a refund is available from the Market Place for this plane? Can't seem to find any info.

I don't think you can get a refund... not happy? For all of you talking about Carenado needing to update, make sure you log a ticket with Carenado. I did, and they emailed me saying they will look into it. If you flood them with the issues I would think they will get the message. 

Anyone played with HSI. Try to set heading bug and then turn. A heading bug moves with you! This plane is definitely possesed LOL  Call the priest! LOL

14 hours ago, jpe828 said:

I don't think you can get a refund... not happy? For all of you talking about Carenado needing to update, make sure you log a ticket with Carenado. I did, and they emailed me saying they will look into it. If you flood them with the issues I would think they will get the message. 

This plane should never have been released the way it is. I must say though, it is a really nice plane if you can get it i off the ground. Fix the cg issue and it would be worth the price. As for the no refunds from the Market Place, this is just not right. I will now always go right to the developer if I can and purchase it from them. Imagine not having to wait 3 weeks for updates too. Microsoft, you lost me.

There are videos on Youtube showing take-off runs. GoPro mounted on wing strut, and you get a good idea what the rudder can do in real life (it behaves more like the rudder on the Carbon Cub: big inputs, little directional change), how soon the tail comes up (almost immediately) and how soon it lifts off (soon: very short ground roll, this is a biplane after all).

The Carenado ground behaviour seems nothing like the real thing. Since I am still waiting for them to fix the C182's pitch sensitivity (i.e. never) I'd be keen to see if somebody with the skills to mod default planes can figure out a way to improve the realism on the Waco. 

@lupedelupe You are bang on! The files are unfortunately locked. Alot of people on youtube or other forums argue that this is fine and realistic... it simply is not. 

1 hour ago, jpe828 said:

@lupedelupe You are bang on! The files are unfortunately locked. Alot of people on youtube or other forums argue that this is fine and realistic... it simply is not. 

Clearly those who have some tail dragged time behind their belt can say Waco FM is wrong.

I flew Citabria, Decathlon and T6. But Waco not even remotely close to my RL experience. Also with 300 hp engine Waco feels super heavy and greatly underpowered 

1 hour ago, sd_flyer said:

Clearly those who have some tail dragged time behind their belt can say Waco FM is wrong.

I flew Citabria, Decathlon and T6. But Waco not even remotely close to my RL experience. Also with 300 hp engine Waco feels super heavy and greatly underpowered 

You are one of the rational ones lol... it annoys me to talk to those who are uninformed and say that it is accurate lol. I have flown a Decathlon and Citabria as well... as well as a Grumman Goose for 4 hours (What a day!) Its too bad, I really like the model of the Waco. It has GREAT potential. But I am not flying it because for me one of the main fun parts I have in the sim is takeoff and greasing those landings on small strips.

2 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

Clearly those who have some tail dragged time behind their belt can say Waco FM is wrong.

I flew Citabria, Decathlon and T6. But Waco not even remotely close to my RL experience. Also with 300 hp engine Waco feels super heavy and greatly underpowered 

The game does not model biplanes at all ... the FM is based on a single pair of wings. 

However something is very wrong with the WACO, Among other things it seems way to heavy and all of that weight is in the front meaning it has very poor power to weight for a 300 HP airplane and the CoG is out. It is almost like they modelled a Wright Cyclone in terms of weight. Also when you have the stick neutral and get up to about 40 knots any diversion from straight ahead quickly becomes an unrecoverable turn verging on a ground loop. Another issue is they have modelled the tailwheel lever in the cockpit but left it INOP.

I am actually having great fun with it and do not regret buying it, but that is partly because I enjoy working out how to work around broken things, it clearly was not ready for general sale at all, never lone putting it up on the in game marketplace - you have to wonder sometimes if they even test these things.

My suspicion is Caranado, like a lot of other 3rd party developers, has a team of very talented 3D graphic and texture artists but limited access to anyone with aeronautical engineering and specific MSFS SDK and FM skills. This actually seems very common. hence the reason so many MSFS imports from multiple different teams have gone up for sale with FM issues that their devs cannot fix, they seem capable of importing their previous aircraft and getting the visuals and cockpit correct and looking great but if the imported FM fails they also seem all at sea when it comes to fixing the issues. 

 

Edited January 17, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

25 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

The game does not model biplanes at all ... the FM is based on a single pair of wings. 

However something is very wrong with the WACO, Among other things it seems way to heavy and all of that weight is in the front meaning it has very poor power to weight for a 300 HP airplane and the CoG is out. It is almost like they modelled a Wright Cyclone in terms of weight. Also when you have the stick neutral and get up to about 40 knots any diversion from straight ahead quickly becomes an unrecoverable turn verging on a ground loop. Another issue is they have modelled the tailwheel lever in the cockpit but left it INOP.

I am actually having great fun with it and do not regret buying it, but that is partly because I enjoy working out how to work around broken things, it clearly was not ready for general sale at all, never lone putting it up on the in game marketplace - you have to wonder sometimes if they even test these things.

My suspicion is Caranado, like a lot of other 3rd party developers, has a team of very talented 3D graphic and texture artists but limited access to anyone with aeronautical engineering and specific MSFS SDK and FM skills. This actually seems very common. hence the reason so many MSFS imports from multiple different teams have gone up for sale with FM issues that their devs cannot fix, they seem capable of importing their previous aircraft and getting the visuals and cockpit correct and looking great but if the imported FM fails they also seem all at sea when it comes to fixing the issues. 

 

I just wish it could be tweaked by community..Or perhaps simcoders that tweak and sell their add on for Carenado airplanes in XP11

21 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

The game does not model biplanes at all ... the FM is based on a single pair of wings. 

How much that matters depends on the biplane being modeled to some extent. In spite of the classic looks, the WACO YMF being replicated here is not an old aeroplane, it's an updated version of a classic 1934 WACO YMF. The modern version was redesigned in the mid-1980s, with a lot of changes including a longer and wider fuselage, a bigger and more effective rudder and a number of structural changes which make it tougher, more aerodynamically clean, and better suited to modern construction. It is currently still in production, but the company which makes it is not the original company which made WACO biplanes in the inter-war years, so the real thing is far from being a 1930s biplane in performance, even though it looks a lot like one.

As such, the new YMF doesn't really suffer the slightly dodgy rigging potential with a Thirties-era aeroplane built before we had super-duper CNC accuracy - as you'd expect with an aeroplane that'll cost you the best part of half a million bucks to buy these days. This means unlike some biplanes - for example a typical Pitts - that because the YMF uses the same aerofoil on both sets of wings, and they are at the same angle of incidence and very accurately made, the configuration is very much acting as one wing.

That was the intention with quite a lot of biplanes, whereby the whole point of having multiple wings was simply to overcome the fact that engines were pretty heavy and didn't have a fantastic power to weight ratio, and that a box section reinforced with flying and landing wires was a strong structure. But with the manufacturing accuracy of the new-build YMF, whilst all that original reasoning still holds true, those very precisely built and fitted twin wings will do a really good job of acting as one wing, despite them being of an unequal span.

So where things go a bit awry with the Carenado WACO, is that the real thing has a similarly improved variant of the 300 horsepower Jacobs R-755. This gives it a very good power to weight ratio, making it way faster and with way better acceleration than a typical 1930s WACO would be, or any of its contemporaries such as the Stearman and the N3N for that matter. In fact, a new-build YMF would leave most modern Cessnas and Pipers in the dust if you wound the throttle up on the WACO whilst it was alongside a typical modern spam can. And in spite of that draggy-looking airframe, it cruises at 115 mph and its Vne is well over 200 mph, so it's definitely capable of doing some aerobatics. This is the thing Carenado really need to sort out a bit - the modern WACO is a pretty sporty affair with fairly sophisticated ground handling behaviour for a taildragger, as a result of that redesign in 1986 which gave it a longer fuselage and a bigger and more aerodynamically effective rudder.

Can anyone check out the main TEXTURE folder?  I want to see if I can do the re-color repaints like the Mooney and Seminole before I buy.

There should be a file close to LIVxx_ALB.PNG.DDS file and it hopefully has like 2 or 4 squares of color if you can open it or preview it

Here's example path for the Mooney: MSFS\Official\OneStore\carenado-aircraft-m20r-ovation\SimObjects\Airplanes\Carenado_M20R_Ovation\TEXTURE

Here's what the mooney main file looks like

moonexample by Ryan Butterworth, on Flickr

 

 

Edited January 18, 20215 yr by Chock

Chance you could open that file near the bottom: LIV_ALBD.PNG.DDS ?

I'm curious what it looks like

@ryanbatcund

 

17 minutes ago, cavaricooper said:

@ryanbatcund

 

 

Oh yeah we have a winner lol

I'll probably buy it.  Has anyone tried shooting an ILS?  Does the HSI show glide slope?