21 minutes ago, overspeed3 said:

Always remember, MSFS 2020 also started out as an XBox release  

Microsoft also know that serious simmers would certainly sit back and be patient, . 

From early on in the Summer of 2019, Asobo CEO and MS lead have said exactly the contrary. That the sim was designed for the PC first and with serious simmers in mind ! You mean that  we were wrong to believe what they said then 😉?  And if MS by any chance thought that serious simmers would sit back and be patient, they won't fire their marketing manager-in-charge fast enough 🤣 ! We, as a community, have many qualities, but being patient is not being one of them. 

But again, the purpose of my starting post was narrowly limited to tell the MS bot browsing the Avsim forums that it is high time that they correct a basic flaw which didn't exist at release. At the end of day, MFS has been sold as the ultimate world scenery, hasn't it ? Spikes don't belong to it.

What a coincidence! While reading this thread i saw a giant terrain spike in south america a bit south west from SKRG!. I will report it to them before it kills someone

23 minutes ago, tweekz said:

Totally agree! But note, in my signature I am thankful, yet critical. 😉 It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

Ask yourself, if you were the developer - who would you be more eager to listen to - the guy who complains in an emotional wall of text, or the one arguing reasonably.

It's up to you, who you wanna be. But you can expect some conflict with the first option.

The concept of being thankful for a product that you buy is something a little strange to me. Happy that it came to the market but thankful 😉? Should I thank Apple for my Iphone/iPad, Nissan for my SUV, the local mill for the flour I use in my bread ? 

I am all for being reasonable. I am also all for clearly telling when I am not happy.  And, after a while, loudly if necessary 😁  (cf. the word charade).  

 

 

Edited February 21, 20215 yr by Dominique_K

3 hours ago, hjsmuc said:

That's the reason, why the other sims will continue to have customers. It will take years to complete the missing pieces of MSFS and by then, new technology may have pushed the others forward as well. When there are "thank you Asobo" posts I often see that the author is rather new to simming. So to each his own, I come to MSFS daily but mostly shut it down saying to myself that it is just not ready. 

I’m one of the ones with ‘Thank You’ threads to Asobo and I’ve been around since the late 80’s.  For the record the other sims are dead unless they figure out cloud global scenery.  It cost so much just to get those sims to somewhat look like FS2020.  Even with that P3D looks like a cartoon by comparison, XPlane is not even in the running with obvious things lacking (ATC, weather, etc) with a flat out refusal from the developer to even consider adding these things to the default sim.  

Yea you can have the dated tech, FS2020 on it’s worst day is better than our current alternatives.  The old sims are so far in my rear view I can’t take looking at them anymore.  Progression takes allot and there will be many bumps along the way but we never had such an amazing version out the box as FS2020.  For you not to understand that and reference P3D (built on the buggiest Flight Simulator in the history of the franchise code circa FSX) tells me you don’t understand or appreciate our hobby’s progression.  

If your happy with the unreasonable hardware requirements and add-on cost for legacy FSX code simulators and not appreciate the ease of access of FS2020 that tells me you have either forgotten or just being unfairly critical of this new offering .  The bar has been raised and I thank Asobo/Microsoft for that.  We all would have easily been happy with far less and a development team with far less interaction with us just to have a new version.  That’s was the reality going back to the 80’s.  It was a distant Wizard of Oz dream to have what we have now (sim and Asobo’s monthly updates).  I couldn’t tell you what any Aces, Lockheed, XPlane staff looks like much less hear from them in a monthly development podcast. 

Yes FS2020 is not perfect but understand it’s better than anything we’ve ever had in this franchise (competing sims included) and for that I thank Asobo and know they’ll get it right or we as a community will jump in and assist.  Example is the default Cessna Caravan’s flap issue after the UK patch.  I installed one of our third party FDE patches and the bird flies like normal, same goes for the Longitude.  You take that example and compare the years of tweaking FSX just squeeze out performance that 75% didn’t work unless you used your imagination and countless hours of scenery installs that still to this day don’t cover the whole world, you can’t tell me what we have now isn’t better... 🧐

Edited February 21, 20215 yr by Dillon

9 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

The concept of being thankful for a product that you buy is something a little strange to me. Happy that it came to the market but thankful 😉? Should I thank Apple for my Iphone/iPad, Nissan for my SUV, the local mill for the flour I use in my bread ? 

I am all for being reasonable. I am also all for clearly telling when I am not happy.  And, after a while, loudly if necessary 😁  (cf. the word charade). 

Yes you should because good service and quality products is harder to find these days.  I try to make it a habit to talk to a person’s manager if they’ve done a good job because they more than here it if they don’t.

11 minutes ago, xender said:

What a coincidence! While reading this thread i saw a giant terrain spike in south america a bit south west from SKRG!. I will report it to them before it kills someone

If you send this information over to mapamunddi at Flightsim.to, he'll take care on a case-by-case basis. He's gathering info about those spikes still remaining after the fixs made by the WU3.

Cheers, Ed

12 minutes ago, edpatino said:

If you send this information over to mapamunddi at Flightsim.to, he'll take care on a case-by-case basis. He's gathering info about those spikes still remaining after the fixs made by the WU3.

Cheers, Ed

Will do!

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

A stone out of place or a bent blade of grass somewhere

thats not the level of issue that is being discussed here, please dont down play it to a ridiculous level.

I think our relation with MSFS currently is like love and hate relationship. To be honest, I am frustrated with the bugs they introduced that I said to myself, no I will fly in XP this weekend, then I did this and I ended going back to MSFS to fly. The reality is, many of us are addicted to MSFS and in the same time are frustrated by these annoying bugs. 

1 hour ago, xender said:

What a coincidence! While reading this thread i saw a giant terrain spike in south america a bit south west from SKRG!. I will report it to them before it kills someone

I just thought it was a very large termite nest.

4 hours ago, hjsmuc said:

Everyday there is a new annoyance. And so, sometimes but not rarely, I go back to an old sim which is nicely tuned and does exactly what I expect. 

Not here, no annoyances any day yet. I can see where it's at currently, it continues to improve, the world is a giant place so to get it all right including spike removal takes time.  I have to laugh that the OP was still appalled that there were still spikes still present in....Borneo and the upper Amazon.  Might be some in Antarctica as well have a look there too  

23 minutes ago, ndoug said:

I just thought it was a very large termite nest.

During the first transAfrica flight, there was of course no airfield. So they had an advance team sent to clean the ground where they were supposed to land and I read that  anthills were a nuisance in some places   🐜😁

49 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

I think our relation with MSFS currently is like love and hate relationship. To be honest, I am frustrated with the bugs they introduced that I said to myself, no I will fly in XP this weekend, then I did this and I ended going back to MSFS to fly. The reality is, many of us are addicted to MSFS and in the same time are frustrated by these annoying bugs. 

In other words, we grumble because we care 😉.

51 minutes ago, Noel said:

Not here, no annoyances any day yet. I can see where it's at currently, it continues to improve, the world is a giant place so to get it all right including spike removal takes time.  I have to laugh that the OP was still appalled that there were still spikes still present in....Borneo and the upper Amazon.  Might be some in Antarctica as well have a look there too  

Many users enjoy MSFS, but that does not mean it's without annoying issues. Regarding spikes, I do not recall them being reported at launch. Weren't they one of the later improvements.

Bye the way, there is actually a world outside the USA. Believe it or not, Borneo and the upper Amazon really do exist.

3 minutes ago, Biggles2010 said:

Many users enjoy MSFS, but that does not mean it's without annoying issues.

"Annoyance" comes from unmet expectations.  Expectations are not inline with reality I'm afraid.  It's a giant world, and a giant project.