8 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

If xp11 was such a wonderful platform to work with why company like PMDG just abandon their first project before it was even finish.

Because they've been working in MSFS since the early 2000's.  Why would they switch?  They made the DC6 (which was completely the wrong type of aircraft to make if they wanted to see some money).  Not to mention it was overpriced.  And they came to X-Plane because MSFS was an unknown element back then.  No one knew what was going to happen to it, and it seemed like X-Plane was the ONLY payware option.

As far as what happened between PMDG and Austin Meyer, I know what happened, but it's not for me to say.  There was a disagreement, and let's leave it at that.  

 

1 minute ago, fogboundturtle said:

that is just ridiculous statement. I love the Zibo Mod but it's not the 737NGX quality.  To be honest, a lot of good XP11 aircraft are not cheap either. The iniSimulator A300 is close to 97USD.  Anything FF is 79 USD. 

Sure, but they would be starting from zero in XP11, like they are with MSFS, so the only way to catch up would be to put multiple times the resources already put into zibo just to equal it.

Just now, GoranM said:

As far as what happened between PMDG and Austin Meyer, I know what happened, but it's not for me to say.  There was a disagreement, and let's leave it at that.  

That much is clear. They don't like each other. 

1 minute ago, fogboundturtle said:

That much is clear. They don't like each other. 

The take away for that is, don't come into someone's house and tell them how to maintain it.  Take from that what you like.

4 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

That much is clear. They don't like each other. 

I'd say its fairly easy to guess given their MO, PMDG demanded something LR was unwilling to provide, like making aircraft development much harder, or exclusivity over some aspect of development, then threw their toys out of the pram when they didn't get their way.

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1 minute ago, GoranM said:

The take away for that is, don't come into someone's house and tell them how to maintain it.  Take from that what you like.

That comment doesn't surprised me at all. This is the exact response I would expect from Austin Meyers. I am sure PMDG tried to flex their muscle. In any conflict, there is 2 parties. I bet both of them had their share of blame. 

3 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

That comment doesn't surprised me at all. This is the exact response I would expect from Austin Meyers. I am sure PMDG tried to flex their muscle. In any conflict, there is 2 parties. I bet both of them had their share of blame. 

Not really, there is always one winner and one loser, and the victor writes the history.

PMDG lost, because they didn't have the muscle to match their ego.

Edited March 22, 20215 yr by mSparks

I look at both this way...

If you are a hardcore pilot that requires almost true-to-life aerodynamics, procedure fidelity with study-leve aircraft, then XP excels in this category, but if you are like me that likes to fly with basic knowledge of flying without all the complications, with a decent aircraft, loves eye-candy and would pick almost true-to-life world over aerodynamics (Im not a pilot), then FS2020 outshines any sim currently in the market.

Edited March 22, 20215 yr by CarlosF

2 minutes ago, CarlosF said:

I look at both this way...

If you are a hardcore pilot that requires almost true-to-life aerodynamics, procedure fidelity with study-leve aircraft, then XP excels in this category, but if you are like me that likes to fly with basic knowledge of flying without all the complications, with a decent aircraft, loves eye-candy and would pick almost true-to-life world over aerodynamics (Im not a pilot), then FS2020 outshines any sim currently in the market.

Actually P3D have the better quality of aircraft although XP11 is not that far behind. 

33 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

Actually P3D have the better quality of aircraft although XP11 is not that far behind. 

Payware for P3D seems to demand a much higher quality on average. For better or worse the ease of access to developing for XP11 has attracted a much greater number of payware developers with a similar ethos to those currently releasing for MSFS.

But both P3D and XP11 are capable of delivering aircraft of equal quality, just the cost of development for XP11 is much lower.

Same thing goes for MSFS, its capable of delivering aircraft of P3D or XP11 quality, the reason they aren't available yet is developing aircraft takes so much time, and developing quality aircraft for MSFS is astronomically expensive (your own developer inside Microsoft/Asobo on speed dial at a minimum, not dissimilar to XP8 15 years ago)

Edited March 22, 20215 yr by mSparks

32 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

Actually P3D have the better quality of aircraft although XP11 is not that far behind. 

Frankly and with all my respect to PMDG, if true this has little to do with XP11 as a platform which is super open to develop on in every aspect + helps developing REAL planes.

I mean, you really can't complain about how powerful a platform is if it literally serves real life aircraft development.

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1 hour ago, fogboundturtle said:

If xp11 was such a wonderful platform to work with why company like PMDG just abandon their first project before it was even finish.

They failed on X-Plane because they didn't give people the aircraft they actually wanted and charged too much for it. I have no doubt that if they had actually worked on porting their 737 then it would have been a success for them.

The part I do clearly remember about PMDG is how Robert claimed X-Plane isn't advanced enough and is missing features needed to create a complex airliner simulation. This angered a lot of other developers and customers and only served to make PMDG lose credibility when products such as the IXEG and even the free Zibo-mod appeared. 

Time will tell how successful they'll be on MFS. I wonder how accepting people will be with their pricing model moving forwards.

3 hours ago, mSparks said:

Unless the superior product becomes even more superior soon Microsofts inferior product will become superior therefore Microsofts inferior product is currently superior to the superior product.

But by that very same logic I would still be using Flight Simulator II on my old Commodore64? Things move on. They always have and always will.

1 minute ago, tonywob said:

They failed on X-Plane because they didn't give people the aircraft they actually wanted and charged too much for it. I have no doubt that if they had actually worked on porting their 737 then it would have been a success for them.

The part I do clearly remember about PMDG is how Robert claimed X-Plane isn't advanced enough and is missing features needed to create a complex airliner simulation. This angered a lot of other developers and customers and only served to make PMDG lose credibility when products such as the IXEG and even the free Zibo-mod appeared. 

Time will tell how successful they'll be on MFS. I wonder how accepting people will be with their pricing model moving forwards.

I bet that a huge portion of the population will not be happy about the price structure but since PMDG has such good reputation, some will just fork the money mumbling furiously how its' outrageous but worth it. 

Now that WT is working for Asobo and going to fixed the core code, I am renew my hope that complex IFR aircraft will be a thing now in MSFS. The WT CJ4 and CRJ are actually very good , aside a few AP issue. They will be fixed shortly and this argument that MSFS is no capable of producing high quality aircraft will be a thing of the past. 

13 minutes ago, tonywob said:

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Hi Tony,

I need some help with a minor issue I have with TE FL and the Overlay folder.

Posted at the ORBX forum:

https://orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/206232-te-fl-not-working/

Thanks.

Jose

Edited March 22, 20215 yr by DJJose