6 minutes ago, aniiran said:

Disagree 100% ASOBO PROMISED... PROMISED! every single development forum that this would be a simulator that would appease the serious simmer community. They have not delievered on this promise, and they seem to be regressing to a pretty looking mobile game.

That's an opinion. There are some serious simmers here that do like the sim.

The serious simmer community isn't a hive mind, everyone has their own opinion.

And this is nothing like a mobile game.

 

These dev q&a sessions remind me of Parliament in the U.K. 

A load of waffle and and when the new plans get implemented they’re always watered down or not what was promised etc….. 

26 minutes ago, aniiran said:

My point is these things are NOT an issue in FSX/P3d or XP11.  So how have we regressed so badly?  To appease the XBOX crowd?  You seem fine with that but I have a feeling a lot of simmers are not. 

I have been simming for > 30 years now, albeit nearly exclusively GA (does this count in your eyes?). I have been through all MS sims since FS4, the more recent XP versions and all P3D since 1.2 (in 2012). Any believe it or not, I am really happy with MSFS.

This doesn't mean I don't have wishes for the future and I certainly would like to see some issues ironed our rather earlier than later. But I've never spent more time simming (not tweaking, just flying) since I was admitted to the MSFS alpha than ever before.

Kind regards, Michael

29 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

That's an opinion. There are some serious simmers here that do like the sim.

The serious simmer community isn't a hive mind, everyone has their own opinion.

And this is nothing like a mobile game.

 

Well yes, it is an opinion as are most posts on a forum. 

There are some serious simmers here that do like the sim.

Some.  The fact that you say some and not most tells me that the community at large is not happy with this game.  Which is how I feel and so many others feel.

My personal opinion is that Asobo has not and will not deliver on this platform and it will be dead in 2 years.  The XBOXERS will find no joy in not being able to crash into buildings in a fireball and the serious simmers will go to the New DX 12 X plane.

This game is no better than Aerofly FS for Android (not to take anything away from Aerofly FS). This game should have been Phenomenal. 

3 minutes ago, pmb said:

I have been simming for > 30 years now, albeit nearly exclusively GA (does this count in your eyes?). I have been through all MS sims since FS4, the more recent XP versions and all P3D since 1.2 (in 2012). Any believe it or not, I am really happy with MSFS.

This doesn't mean I don't have wishes for the future and I certainly would like to see some issues ironed our rather earlier than later. But I've never spent more time simming (not tweaking, just flying) since I was admitted to the MSFS alpha than ever before.

Kind regards, Michael

For GA it is much better.  For bush flying in Idaho it's great (except for the awful terrain morphing and low definition mesh). For floatpanes it's pretty bad.

I fly everything but favor heavies since I can not fly those in real life.  For heavies it is awful. It's going to get worse too.  There is no reason my GTX 2070super, i710700, 32GB RAM, system should should be struggling so bad all the time.  And it gets worse with every update.  Once we get real world traffic it's going to be a slide show. This game was better on August 19th than it is now. 

This thing was hyped so much, that I guess I am just horribly dissapointed with what we have 9 months later.

I normally flight sim about 40 hours a month.  I have 109 hours TOTAL in MSFS.

 

16 minutes ago, aniiran said:

I fly everything but favor heavies since I can not fly those in real life.  For heavies it is awful. It's going to get worse too.  There is no reason my GTX 2070super, i710700, 32GB RAM, system should should be struggling so bad all the time. 

But then I can suggest to you Prepar3d4. It's a rock solid simulator with plenty of airliners and other addons like the ORBX TrueEarth sceneries or the RXP Garmins available. Why are you dealing with  MSFS if you don't enjoy it? No one forces you to do so.

Kind regards, Michael

25 minutes ago, aniiran said:

New DX 12 X plane.

What? Xplane uses vulkan….. 

2 hours ago, aniiran said:

Disagree 100% ASOBO PROMISED... PROMISED! every single development forum that this would be a simulator that would appease the serious simmer community. They have not delievered on this promise, and they seem to be regressing to a pretty looking mobile game.

Asobo needs to keep including options to make sure that serious simmers are happy while the cash grab continues.  The runways in real life are hard to see that is part of being a r/w pilot and by extension a sim pilot, but if you are using your systems correctly you will find the runway.  Labels are not realistic and I have never used them.  Your last line is a bad argument, obviously it is a simulator on a computer.

My point is these things are NOT an issue in FSX/P3d or XP11.  So how have we regressed so badly?  To appease the XBOX crowd?  You seem fine with that but I have a feeling a lot of simmers are not. 

ASOBO has ZERO track record of ever catering or being involved in anything regarding "serious simming".

They make regular video games and were tasked with MSFS in which they did a great job with visually.

Your expectations are unrealistic regarding this company.

Not sure what you are expecting regarding in depth "serious flight simmer study level" features from Asobo.

Your precious little MSFS isn't gonna change the whole nature and mindset of what Asobo originally produces..

Please have a look at their catalog and adjust your expectations....

https://www.asobostudio.com/games

If you want to get a deeper look at the point of view of a 3rd party vendor, me, I've just posted the answer to the autopilot question I asked a few days ago:

Open up communications with Reality-XP - Self-Service / Wishlist - Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums

PS: don't forget to vote!

MSFS is setting things up for the future not rehashing things 20 years ago. Get with the truth folks. You want legacy stuff stick with Xplane and lipstick on a pig version of FSX that is P3D I just love how P3D users have the program of FSX and never use it for commercial use and use it just like fS XPlane. etc which is sold called P3D how many people here uses as it is intended for what it is not sold for. LOL Well P3D has a 2000$ version so who uses it on Avsim.

Edited May 20, 20215 yr by jbdbow1970

6 hours ago, blueshark747 said:

Not sure what you are expecting regarding in depth "serious flight simmer study level" features from Asobo.

I believe that Microsoft came to the same conclusion and took  action. Lets not forget that this is a Microsoft title, not Asobo... and that Microsoft hired Working Title to provide just that... serious features...

Lets see what the next couple of Sim Updates bring.. then lets talk again.. 😉

Edited May 20, 20215 yr by Bert Pieke

10 hours ago, pmb said:

Why are you dealing with  MSFS if you don't enjoy it? No one forces you to do so.

Kind regards, Michael    

It is not black and white but there are multiple shades of grey. Remember, simmers are masochists 😄 !

I have seen these recent months good people, not your usual forum jerks, leaving the sim. I also see people who should be here and are not. Not a matter to rejoice.

MFS works well for me when I fly my warbirds or Cub, for the latter using the Garmin as a navigation aid for hand flying short flights. Discovering the world with an incomplete but not so shabby flight modeling. MFS is also well optimized for weak computers like mine at high levels of settings. I like it.

 But I am also checking right now on the DA 62 for instrument flying using autopilot (WT G1000). Can’t say that I am overly happy. And, in another domain, yes the water physics is bad. Yes, the weather is too often AWOL. And yes, the world map UI is poor in features and cumbersome. And so on and so forth.

They have to do some effort  to rise to the serious simulator level. And I am not sure anymore that it is what MS really wants from Asobo. If they are able to, that is to say. 

And their snake oil vendor v2.0 type of marketing does not help to reassure the old simmer that I am. 

2 hours ago, Bert Pieke said:

Lets see what the next couple of Sim Updates bring.. then lets talk again.. 

Yes, lets see. I do believe that SU4 will be a milestone on the road to... well, lets see to where. 

Edited May 20, 20215 yr by Dominique_K

10 hours ago, aniiran said:

There are some serious simmers here that do like the sim.

Some.  The fact that you say some and not most tells me that the community at large is not happy with this game.  Which is how I feel and so many others feel.

You're right that here at Avsim there's a fairly large and extraordinarily vocal contingent that isn't happy with MSFS. I think that's down to a combination of the demographics here (I'd hardly be the first to note that older white men are overwhelmingly prone to a certain "entitlement"), a closely related resistance to change, and -- maybe most importantly when it comes to how MSFS has been received -- a fixation on certain aspects as the be-all-and-end-all for a "serious sim."

Look, many of the criticisms in that last category are legit. There are things that don't work that should work. But there's also a some myopia. Take weather, which seems to be a mantra for the "MSFS is obviously just a game for the Xbox kids, not a sim" crowd. Two points I've seen over and over: 1) the weather doesn't match real-world METARs, and 2) you can't even set visibility.

METARs are an important real-world tool. They're how you plan, they affect a number of things, and they have important implications for stuff like what approach you can legally do at an airport. But that's a different set of issues from whether MSFS exactly matches a current real-world METAR. Why do you even need the "real" weather anyway? If you had "plausible" weather that was internally consistent and that you could appropriately plan around, why would that make this less of a "sim" in any way? It's a non-sequitur.

As for visibility: in legacy sims visibility was easy. It was a basic slider that worked by setting the same hyper-simple fog that 90s shooters used as a crutch to reduce draw distance. It was a pragmatic simplification to allow virtual pilots to practice approaches in different visibility, the same way fancy full-motion sims did. Was it "realistic"? No. Real-life fog, obviously, isn't a magical homogenous mass that covers the entire globe up to the boundaries of outer space. Legacy sims out of the box didn't make realistic weather, in the sense of "weather that works and looks like the real world," a priority. You could set those parameters that real-life pilots focus on; pressure, temperature, visibility, precipitation (binary, of course). The visual representation of these factors was, at best, an afterthought.

Then stuff like ActiveSky comes in and messes around with the very simple legacy system -- in a very impressive way, it must be said -- to produce much more sophisticated weather. But A) it's all smoke and mirrors, and B) there are some major pragmatic compromises. You fly into a cloud in pre-v5 P3D with ActiveSky and that visual of the cloud around you is a clever illusion of manipulating that simple-fog parameter and some effects. And sure, the weather where you are may match a METAR very precisely. But the whole world around you has that same identical METAR in the sim. The weather isn't dynamic, alive.

MSFS is a radically different, infinitely more sophisticated and ambitious, approach to weather. I suspect it would be trivial for them to add a visibility slider like you have in P3D. But it would look ridiculous, and that's why I think they haven't done it. They're creating a much more sophisticated weather system than a handful of simple parameters. There are some tradeoffs to that -- it's predicted, not "real" weather, you don't have a simple "visibility" slider -- but also some huge payoffs. You can see weather fronts, rain in the distance. Clouds move in a much more realistic way, not all at the same speed and direction in the entire world.

This has become a ridiculously long post, but this has been bothering me for a while. "Make MSFS weather more like P3D with ActiveSky" is not where I want to see it go, but this vocal contingent we're talking about won't be happy unless it does. Does that make them the "real simmers" and me the "Xbox gamer"? I don't think so.

James

40 minutes ago, honanhal said:

 older white men   "entitlement" 

 weather,  

 

 ridiculously long post, 

Older white men. Hmmm... I wish I was younger and I am not sure that being white has any bearing when we speak of flight simulation.  

Entitlement ? A trendy word when you disagree with what the other guy considers worthy 😄. Older simmers (black, white, yellow, and all the colors in between) have some perspective, for some of several tens of years. We know what we wan and say it. Is that bad ? Also there was/is a MS narrative amply developed by Neuman about serious simmers.But reality and words are disjointed. So no entitlement, just the wish to see MS up to its words. By the way, I am not  a serious simmer, half-serious only (do I kid myself, a third serious ?).  And yes, any sim is a game.

Weather. Now we are are cooking. Yes, you rightly underline that MFS brings us a new and much better paradigm, with good and proper examples. I am all with you here. And I am not sure either to want to get back to AS even if  it was a revolution in FSX and P3D. 

About dynamic weather. My brain slowly fades away but if my memory serves me well AS has dynamic weather by the addition of METAR and on the other hand MFS presets are not dynamic. 

Ambition is good but the devil is in the details. I am not happy not to have a weather briefing true to the name, to have the right METAR parameters at airports except  that MFS forgets the clouds too often, to have lightnings wherever I go when there are two farts of a cloud, not to have historical weather even over 24 hours and too often not LW at all.  Am I entitled to these ?  I sure wish they were in my sim of preference.

Yours, a ridiculous post ?. Certainly not James, specially when you speak of weather 😉.

2 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

Weather. Now we are are cooking.

 

1 hour ago, honanhal said:

MSFS is a radically different, infinitely more sophisticated and ambitious, approach to weather.

Definitely worth some discussion, and as we are still in the "26th May 2021 Developer Q&A"-thread I think it's worth noting that there's a question warranting some votes to make sure it will be discussed:

Live Weather - How is it "meant" to work (in more detail)

A little more understanding could be helping to understand their problems, because as many of you may have noticed, something is definitely wrong. Especially since the 1.15.10 update, which was meant to rectify things but made it worse for many, including me. Today I have weather from May 18th., so until ASOBO figures out how to synchronize their data with the calender, "Live weather" doesn't really live up to it's name.

2 hours ago, honanhal said:

MSFS is a radically different, infinitely more sophisticated and ambitious, approach to weather. I suspect it would be trivial for them to add a visibility slider like you have in P3D. But it would look ridiculous, and that's why I think they haven't done it. They're creating a much more sophisticated weather system than a handful of simple parameters. There are some tradeoffs to that -- it's predicted, not "real" weather, you don't have a simple "visibility" slider -- but also some huge payoffs. You can see weather fronts, rain in the distance. Clouds move in a much more realistic way, not all at the same speed and direction in the entire world.

This has become a ridiculously long post, but this has been bothering me for a while. "Make MSFS weather more like P3D with ActiveSky" is not where I want to see it go, but this vocal contingent we're talking about won't be happy unless it does. Does that make them the "real simmers" and me the "Xbox gamer"? I don't think so.

James

I am sure that HiGiSimtech could improve weather inside MSFS with the new features you mentioned above.

If Simconnect/SDK would be more enhanced and more open for 3rd party developers it might help. But MS has decided to keep it as closed as possible up to this moment.

Imho this moment focus is on scenery with the upcoming XBox release. Most XBox users probably don’t care about the current metar. My sun asked me if he could fly upside down with the 747 under a bridge ....

Let’s see what the future will bring. I am a person who wants to see what is promised as promisses sometimes don’t mean that much in the software industry....