28 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

Not sure why it has to be a competition.

I agree. Competition should be left to the creators of these sims so they all get improved. Our job is simply to tell them would like to see in regard to improvements and new products.

2 hours ago, Car147 said:

Do we really need this " My sim's better than your's"  kind of posts. Fly what you like in the sim you like for your own enjoyment.

The goal of this thread is just to present statistics to showcase MSFS’s potential domination in the home simulation market just one year after its release. Unfortunately developers are not always straightforward about sales numbers, so sharing this kind of data seems to be relevant in a flight-sim forum  

With that being said, each sim has their own advantages and disadvantages but I think it is clear that, for the majority of home users, MSFS seems to be currently much more appealing and this is having/will have repercussions on the 3rd. party add-on offerings. 

Edited August 13, 20214 yr by GCBraun

To what purpose is "to showcase MSFS’s potential domination in the home simulation market just one year after its release"? Are you thinking that Microsoft need help with their marketing or that no one has the ability to make up their own mind?

I could introduce you to a small group of my acquaintances who have all tried MSFS and decided that for now, it is not for them. They have continued with P3D and XPlane 11. Their choice, to be respected and not lambasted by statistics from a niche within a niche.

11 minutes ago, Reader said:

To what purpose is "to showcase MSFS’s potential domination in the home simulation market just one year after its release"?

What are you people talking about? It’s the MSFS forum. The guy presented some data related to MSFS.  Like three people have actually discussed the data. The rest of you all are talking about CTDs and how his words triggered you.  Geez. 

26 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

The goal of this thread is just to present statistics to showcase MSFS’s potential domination in the home simulation market just one year after its release. Unfortunately developers are not always straightforward about sales numbers, so sharing this kind of data seems to be relevant in a flight-sim forum  

With that being said, each sim has their own advantages and disadvantages but I think it is clear that, for the majority of home users, MSFS seems to be currently much more appealing and this is having/will have repercussions on the 3rd. party add-on offerings. 

Believe it or not, there is actually nothing original or thought-provoking in any of the above.  It's simply a summarized re-re-re-re-re-statement of countless other posts and threads here.  The only thing missing is a Captain Obvious avatar.

(yawn)

3 hours ago, blueshark747 said:

Thread title is pretty silly..."OnAir aircraft usage shows MSFS domination over P3D/XP11"🤣

Behold the great MSFS Dominator.....Supreme Dominator of other much older sims!!

Bow down to Supreme MSFS Dominator!

 

The OP is located in Germany. The word "dominant" in German does not have the meaning of a supreme ruler. It is more often used to describe, for instance, a soccer team that is far ahead. Maybe all the adverse reactions to this thread are caused by a mere language issue?

Peter

26 minutes ago, Reader said:

I could introduce you to a small group of my acquaintances who have all tried MSFS and decided that for now, it is not for them. They have continued with P3D and XPlane 11. Their choice, to be respected

Absolutely, but why on earth would a thread in a sub-forum, in which they have no interest, be seen as offensive ???

Imagine the uproar if I ventured across to the P3D sub-forum and stated a couple of my critical observations in the "What's to look forward to in P3D?" thread 😉

 

45 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

The goal of this thread is just to present statistics to showcase MSFS’s potential domination in the home simulation market just one year after its release. Unfortunately developers are not always straightforward about sales numbers, so sharing this kind of data seems to be relevant in a flight-sim forum  

With that being said, each sim has their own advantages and disadvantages but I think it is clear that, for the majority of home users, MSFS seems to be currently much more appealing and this is having/will have repercussions on the 3rd. party add-on offerings. 

They are not debates when they are posted almost every month on the P3D forum they are intended to provoke users.  

Back then you were a XP word not allowed are you now posting the same on the XP forum. 

Edited August 13, 20214 yr by G-RFRY

Some people hate facts and statistics. 

2 minutes ago, SierraDelta said:

Absolutely, but why on earth would a thread in a sub-forum, in which they have no interest, be seen as offensive ???

Not offensive at all, just an illustration of how small surveys in a niche can produce very different results. I can see no problem at all in publishing that there are more users of OnAir apparently using MSFS than the other simulators. My tiny survey shows that it has not been taken up at all, which is equally unrepresentative. Without doubt, it is very good indeed but "domination" is in the eye of the beholder. None of us know whether, as often reported here, the MSFS user has abandoned all other simulators or just added MSFS to their catalogue of simulators, all used from time to time, also often reported here.

I'm quite amazed how some users here can react to a topic presenting numbers in a survey. This is an open forum and if the OP wants to share some surveys, well let him do it. Why on earth should somebody feel provoked by it?

 

Should I feel provoked by someone sharing a statistic where apples (fruit) outsale oranges? 

Edited August 13, 20214 yr by GEKtheReaper

44 minutes ago, Reader said:

To what purpose is "to showcase MSFS’s potential domination in the home simulation market just one year after its release"? Are you thinking that Microsoft need help with their marketing or that no one has the ability to make up their own mind?

I could introduce you to a small group of my acquaintances who have all tried MSFS and decided that for now, it is not for them. They have continued with P3D and XPlane 11. Their choice, to be respected and not lambasted by statistics from a niche within a niche.

We are talking about tens of thousands of flying-hours here in a service that is made for (supposedly more experienced) paying users.

I think this might be even more representative than the Navigraph´s survey, considering that it is based on data automatically extracted from the sim and not on questionnaires that may be answered multiple times by the same person.

6 hours ago, GCBraun said:

11 hours ago, fppilot said:

Is it measuring completed flights?

OnAir does not log incomplete flights, so I assume so.

Then the figures may even be vastly understated?  Because like many others reporting here I am only able to complete some of my flights, perhaps for me 45% of the flights I start.

Edited August 13, 20214 yr by fppilot

37 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

They are not debates when they are posted almost every month on the P3D forum they are intended to provoke users.  

Back then you were a XP word not allowed are you now posting the same on the XP forum. 

Hey buddy, in case you are lost, we are on the MSFS forum....

And yes, I was a huge XP11 enthusiast and, before that, I was all in on P3D, what is the problem with that? I still remember people criticizing P3D while defending that FSX or even FS2004 were the way to go. Nothing worse than being stuck your in old ways forever...

Edited August 13, 20214 yr by GCBraun

Just now, GCBraun said:

Hey buddy, in case you are lost, we are on the MSFS forum....

And yes, I was a huge XP11 enthusiast and, before that, P3D´s and have invested a lot in both platforms, what is the problem with that? Nothing worse than being stuck your in old ways forever...

OK mods.  It's well past time.  When chiding begins its time to draw the curtain.