1 minute ago, enright said:

After all this time, I still say the Flight Unlimited series had the best feeling flight model. 

When was the last time you flew FU if am not indiscreet ?

3 minutes ago, z06z33 said:

People here love to complain about realism and systems etc… Cool….then make a better sim guys, go on,do it make a better sim than Asobo did….

The strawman's strike 😄

Who are "the people here"  🤔 ? All of us but you ? 

Then those who "complain", most generally complain of a botched update which ruins their  sim of preference. Like SU5. Like SU7. Shouldn't we ?

 I rarely see simmers "complaining" of anything else. Discuting the merit of the implementation of such or such systems or the flight modeling is not complaining, it is debating.  

At last, as an owner of a car, do I have to know to build a car to judge if if the brakes are working the way they should or the engine powered enough for the frame  weight ? 

 

I'll probably regret replying to this, but what the hull, I've just had to complain to a couple of other companies about shoddy sh*t and I'm in the right mood <grin> so -

I don't get (well, actually I do understand completely but this is not the place for a discussion on psychology, human behaviour, etc) why people are so invested in slagging off this sim / Asobo / Microsoft (take your pick). I would agree it has its problems, and new little challenges crop up just as frequently as new delights, but even so it surely has to be the single most impressive step forward in the development of simming. I'll qualify that - make that the recent development (last ten years or so). Can't comment on earlier sims, never saw the point in trying to manoeuvre one collection of moving lines between another set of similar.

This thing is amazing. A whole world to play in that actually looks like that world. To a degree that knocks everything else right out of the ball park. And yet this place is full of people who never miss an opportunity to have a 'toys out of the pram' moment at the slightest provocation. Which is a bit ironic, given the likely average age of us here. I thought we were supposed to get a bit wiser and calmer with the passage of time.

I agree the OP's sentiment is probably a bit too gushing for me, but even so . . .

And that's all I have to say about that (© Forrest Gump)

I agree with you, I also like the Asobo guys. They look genuine, down to earth and talk to the community. 

MSFS 2020 is, by far, the best FS on the market.

BUT

The same applies for any other product which is the best product on the market in its class: Tesla is the best electric car on the market but has QC and finishing issues.

As consumers, we have the right to put pressure on the companies to deliver better products. And they are actually grateful for that, because with our feedback we contribute to their improvement.

We criticize MSFS because we love it, not because we want to put it down.

21 minutes ago, z06z33 said:

Personally I think they’ve made an amazing sim. People here love to complain about realism and systems etc… Cool….then make a better sim guys, go on,do it make a better sim than Asobo did…. Come on I’m waiting lol…. Seriously most of the folks on here have never even flown a plane yet they complain about flight dynamics…They complain about lack of systems but don’t realize that 99% of the time in normal use we don’t even interact with many systems on the plane, they are just left in the auto position and do their thing…. MSFS was a huge leap in every facet of simming and it’s a long process . For what it’s worth it satisfies a real world airline (me) pilots need for realism. In closing is MSFS the real thing? No but neither is the $40,000,000 simulator we have at the training center… It’s a sim

Listen my fellow simmer.

It's not so much what the sim does.. It's well.. Let's put this into GIF perspective.. Every SU completely makes the sim a different variant of the last with all new control schemes implemented you never asked for. Options changed you never asked for. Your configuration completely randomized for some stupid reason. Character models clipping through airframe structures. The list goes on.  And you start to see the resentment. 

 

Edited November 25, 20214 yr by styckx

Definitely need a laugh, and I wouldn't like to make any "best of" list. I'm new to flight simulation. But it does seem that every sim in the past has only really ended up good because of every other company modding the heck out of it, sometimes for substantial amounts of money.

Perhaps Asobo have made a better start, and their journey really is just beginning. A 10-year development plan, Microsoft said from the start.

Perhaps Asobo were the best to take this on because of their coding expertise, because of their technology -- in-house technology. There aren't many companies out there that create a proprietary engine in-house; many use Unreal Engine or other licensed third-party engines.

They were brought in because they already worked for Microsoft building some pretty impressive augmented and mixed reality technology, not only for gaming but professional industries. They already built a large, detailed world, with dynamic weather/environmental physics/effects. But it's also important that they are incredibly skilled games developers, because they understand the ins and outs of multiple hardware and scaling across it. They understood modern and emerging hardware.

Although, that was a challenge they've had to deal with because, as the technical director of Asobo said in an interview, they were told they had to use the FSX base code for the flight mechanics side and merge with their in-house engine, as well as develop new proprietary technologies in partnership with Black Shark and Meteoblue -- creating an entire planet, using AI to fill in details based on satellite imagery, etc., etc. -- stuff that's never been done before. The FSX base code wasn't developed for multi-thread hardware, and the way avionics displays work wasn't at all efficient or friendly for "clearing the junk" from memory, causing stutters, etc. They've been rewriting, optimising and merging all this complex stuff.

Meanwhile, learning to fly airplanes, gaining their private pilot licences, as a way of hands-on research. Learning and gathering data from real pilots and aeronautical companies.

They are certainly dedicated, intelligent, talented developers, constrained mainly, at the moment, by the publisher's release schedule and the ambition to please everyone at once, as quickly as possible, while still trying to optimise and rework the legacy code they were lumbered with.

But, yes, I think they have made a great start, and brought along innovative technology. Onwards and upwards.

Edited November 25, 20214 yr by March Hare

This post should be a great candidate to "POTY", Post Of The Year, part of the MS/Asobo series... 😆

Technical Director interview.

19 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said:

I agree with you, I also like the Asobo guys. They look genuine, down to earth and talk to the community. 

MSFS 2020 is, by far, the best FS on the market.

BUT

The same applies for any other product which is the best product on the market in its class: Tesla is the best electric car on the market but has QC and finishing issues.

As consumers, we have the right to put pressure on the companies to deliver better products. And they are actually grateful for that, because with our feedback we contribute to their improvement.

We criticize MSFS because we love it, not because we want to put it down.

Totally agree or in gif's....

I agree MSFS is the best flight sim ever.

BUT

Asobo keep doing this

So we feel like this

Cut all that out and we can all.

Edited November 25, 20214 yr by Nyxx

39 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said:

We criticize MSFS because we love it, not because we want to put it down

hey @andy1252

this ^^. Tough love !

 

32 minutes ago, March Hare said:

 

 

Perhaps Asobo were the best to take this on  

They are certainly dedicated, intelligent, talented developers,  

I cannot say the contrary (but I might be a little biased here, who knows 🤣 ?).

Asobo was a good choice because they were not too much constrained by a 15- year history of coding  (from FS2k which was a turning point to P3D). Building incrementally over  their Aces Studio's legacy  and the constraint to maintain compatibility stymie the P3D team's creativity. And its a pity.   

There are two different issues. Is this sim innovative and good even in its incomplete shape and has a strong potential to be better ? Yes ! Is the way the project is managed acceptable? No, it stinks.

 

Edited November 25, 20214 yr by Dominique_K

If it is the eye-candy aspect that impressed you about Asobo then Megascenery Earth deserves mention.  They incorporated eye candy scenery well before Asobo.  Beyond that Asobo has only built on what already existed, and has fallen well short on what has been available in the way of aircraft dynamics. depth in aircraft systems modeling, weather, aviation communication, avionics, cloud texturing, and more.  I recognize many of those came from 3rd party developers, but Asobo is using some 3rd party developers, and could use more....

25 minutes ago, edpatino said:

This post should be a great candidate to "POTY", Post Of The Year, part of the MS/Asobo series... 😆

You know what, the merry PR band in Redmond might even quote it in today's  "development update" ! 😁

I appreciate their efforts but feel Asobos cultural tendencies affect the way they handle things. Coupled with how they handle pressures from Microsoft and some cases of  seemingly blatant lack of attention to realistic details the community has wanted, I just think Asobo is lucky to be where they are. I'm sure another software company given the same resources and goals could certainly have done equally as good or better.

One thing I'm sure of is that this sim is a excellent way to stop domestic violence. Lets thank Asobo for keeping the "violent" crowd behind their keyboards instead of in the living room. 

2 hours ago, Twenty6 said:

1. Argumentative. Mine didn't come in a box.

2. Cannot comment on this as I don't believe I have "lowend" hardware.

3.Without bothering to fix what's already in the sim. Oftentimes breaking what's already in the sim.

4. Not Asobo.

5.Not Asobo.

6.Yes, decent default aircraft, but noneof those people mentioned work for Asobo.

7. Not Asobo

How the heck is number 7 not asobo? They literally ported to the Xbox platform lmao

Personally I think the French have a leg up on Americans when it comes to education, social awareness and work environments so I show some respect.

Also, I think guillotines are kewl.

 

Regards

bs

Edited November 25, 20214 yr by bean_sprout