To go back on topic about hardcore simmers :

 

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9 minutes ago, Mikeingreen said:

This thread needs to be shut down

I have a solution for you. Don't open the thread to read it and let others enjoy  the discussion 🙄. 

 

 

Edited January 30, 20224 yr by Dominique_K

1 minute ago, rka said:

Will you spray out the news about the remarkable characterics of the Fenix Bus also without trying it out once? 😉

Yep, exactly as if it was about... say... Shakira ....

1 minute ago, rka said:

Yeah, well... No. Sorry 😄

I tried, at least I did 🙂

To get back to the topic I'd say

- whatever one may think of the sim, its a fantasy to think that the  team has been focusing on hardcore simmers/simming. And to advance as evidence what they present in their Q&A for the future sounds to me, after almost a year and an half of PR, close to gullibility. But as the song goes "Still at the end of every hard day people find some reason to believe".  A great song btw.

- that does not mean that MSFS is toyish (even if it ultimately is a game 😉). I would add beware of those who have an agenda of personal rancour that has not much to do with the quality of the sim. The old timers know what I mean. In spite of this lack of focus, this game has nevertheless many elements of a serious simulator which makes it on par with its predecessors and I personally appreciate the experience of 'serious' flying that I get from it with the simcraft I have, VFR or IFR. 

- Hardcore simming, whatever that means, is not synonym of a huge set of equipment (home cockpit) but it certainly helps to have a minimal decent setup, specially in the controllers department. I am not in hurry to see multi-monitors/networking compatiblilty etc but the simconnect issue goes beyond catering to home cockpit builders. It will in a way decide of the complexity of future aircraft it seems to me.

Edited January 30, 20224 yr by Dominique_K

Some have presented good interpretations of "hardcore simming" in this thread.

It can actually be as simple as using a platform and a specific aircraft add-on to fly a pattern, train a given IFR procedure, operate an aircraft and it's systems the closest to real live operations as it is possible, etc...

Usually I wouldn't ellect a desktop flight simulator as "hardcore" when it comes to the control of an aircraft in terms of flying during an x-wind / tricky weather situation ou or into an airfield... That particular area is the one which lacks the most in any of the flight simulation platforms I ever tried, and I tried many along more than 30 yrs playing flight simulators. It's partly de to limitations imposed by the aerodynamics modelling in a desktop simulation of an aircraft, partly due to the limitations imposed by the hardware sed for the flight controls, and surely also due to the sensorial limitations of "flying" an aircraft "through" a desktop PC. I believe VR can bring a very good perspective, but I never tried any of the modern VR peripherals, and I try not to just to avoid getting tempted to buy one...

1 hour ago, Dominique_K said:

let others enjoy  the discussion

WE, THE PEOPLE, real hard core simmers (TM), we need such threads, what else can we do after take off on a long international flight in the cockpit, we need to read and post on long, boring IFR flights, we use a home entertainment software after all. the not-so-serious VFR simmers they got lucky, don't need it, they can enjoy the scenery all along the route.

Edited January 30, 20224 yr by turbomax

2 minutes ago, turbomax said:

WE, THE PEOPLE, real hard core simmers (TM), we need such threads, what else can we do after take off on a long international flight in the cockpit, we need to read and post on long, boring IFR flights, we use a home entertainment software after all. the VFR simmers don't need it, they can enjoy the scenery all along the route.

And a way to get acclimated  to those really long tubeliner flights on auto pilot at FL350 is to paint a board, place it in front of you, and watch the paint dry. 

5 minutes ago, turbomax said:

WE, THE PEOPLE, real hard core simmers (TM), we need such threads, what else can we do after take off on a long international flight in the cockpit, we need to read and post on long, boring IFR flights, we use a home entertainment software after all. the not-so-serious VFR simmers they got lucky, don't need it, they can enjoy the scenery all along the route.

You couldn't be wronger 🤣 ! I presently fy the MV Porter from Cochabamba in Bolivia to a dirt strip about 60 nm East in the boondocks ! And I do enjoy the scenery !

8 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

I feel old… I had to make two Google searches to start to understand your sentence and am not sure I did succeed really 😏 😅 ! 

 

Purposeful sarcasm, though L33t is my era as a millenial 😄

I figured it might confuse the self professed hardcore with another form of gamer hardcore speach 😄

46 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

in Bolivia to a dirt strip about 60 nm East in the boondocks !

and you call that an intercontinental IFR flight? you can't be seriously simming (TM)

Edited January 30, 20224 yr by turbomax

20 minutes ago, AvAngel said:

Purposeful sarcasm, though L33t is my era as a millenial 😄

I figured it might confuse the self professed hardcore with another form of gamer hardcore speach 😄

You sure were successful in confusing me and I don’t even know whether I am hardcore 😁 ! 

2 hours ago, jcomm said:

Yep, exactly as if it was about... say... Shakira ....

So you know you like Shakira without ever listening to her? That's impressive.

a quick comment for those who insist that XBox was always the primary goal:   Why would Asobo implement DLSS (or whatever)?  If its an nVidia only thing and XBox is AMD only?  Why would they ever waste a single second thinking about it, let alone try it as they say they did?

Edited January 30, 20224 yr by sightseer

12 minutes ago, rka said:

So you know you like Shakira without ever listening to her?

Can't we like Shakira without ever listening to her?  I like Shakira and I know next to none of her music.

9 minutes ago, sightseer said:

a quick comment for those who insist that XBox was always the primary goal:   Why would Asobo implement DLSS (or whatever)?  If its an nVidia only thing and XBox is AMD only?  Why would they ever waste a single second thinking about it, let alone try it as they say they did?

The primary goal was not the Xbox but the casual gamer on PC or Xbox.  They started on the PC because the foundation code was FSX.

What MS looks for is to sell the Xbox services not the consoles.  Microsoft's vice president of Xbox business development, Lori Wright,  in 2021 :" we sell the consoles at a loss,"  confirming that Microsoft has never earned a profit on console sales. Xbox consoles have never turned a profit for Microsoft - CNET So the more sales the more losses.

The topic title is misleading in the sense it opposes hardcore simming and Xbox. It does make sense to me. 

Then did they implement DLSS ? They say they may consider it. We'll see. Touch and believe.