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MSFS focusing for the hard core simmer market, not X-Box!

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On the subject of Teles, bet nobody can tell me which, if any, of these three are genuine Fenders and which are not:

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3 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

 

Oh that is lovely! I love the natural finish! Thanks for sharing!

3 minutes ago, Chock said:

On the subject of Teles, bet nobody can tell me which, if any, of these three are genuine Fenders and which are not:

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I feel like worlds have collided and I’m on TPRI. com instead of Avsim…

My two hobbies combined!

(It is a hobby after all, why all the seriousness?✌🏽

Edited by Los

Here is my collection. Not an expert on Tele's. I only come close with the Acoustasonic. I have added a couple of guitars not in the picture. Need to do another group shot at some point and capture them all.

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49 minutes ago, March Hare said:

...Sounds nearly forty grand better than this (Brand new Fender Squier Telecaster, priced at $599), then they deserve to have thirty nine grand taken off them:

My second hobby to flight simulation on PC ( sorry, flight gaming for some) is music.  I've had many music systems over the years. I currently live on a UK narrowboat so my system is a Fiio M11 DAP with a pair of HiFiMan Sundara Headphones.  One of the most contentious issues amongst serious audiophiles is the subject of 'burn In'.

Burn in describes the process of HiFi equipment sound improving with use.  I have no idea about the technicalities of electrical equipment sound improvement with use, but burn in absolutely does exist for me.  It may be the process of ones ears getting used to a new sound signature from the previous item used, but it may be the equipment signal path changing in some way - I don't actually care what it is, but I know everything I have ever listened to sounds better after use.  My Sundara headphone needed over a hundred hours of use until I felt the sound 'stabilised'

It is no surprise to me that somebody would prefer an expensive used item instead of new.  Who is to say it doesn't sound better to them? Who is to judge what something is worth to them for their pleasure? Perhaps their ears are sufficiently different to yours that they can detect a change in  sound signature from a well used and grimy guitar.  Who should really care what others perceive as a worthwhile investment to them?

This kind off attitude is rife everywhere, including here on this forum.  Why some get offended with others using the term simulator is beyond me.  I fly an aircraft in MSFS in exactly the same way I would in the real world.  I use the same checklists, the same ForeFlight EFB, I follow the same procedures and navigate airspace as per real world - I even fly on PilotEdge where every single ATC position in the Western USA is manned by people using the correct phraseology and procedures.  Even real weather is simulated!

So play your MSFS game, fly your MSFS simulator, buy new or buy old and grimy, but most importantly have fun and enjoyment with your chosen product at your chosen price!

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Firstly, I think you misquoted. It was Chock's comment not March Hare.

Secondly,  guitar tube amplifiers often sound better when they have been used a fair amount. Burnt in I guess you could compare. Some of the more modern equipment goes to great strives to capture that when sampling older amps.

I agree with you about enjoying the sim at whatever level you want. This whole thread blew up because a couple of folks said that MSFS wasn't for serious simmers and they are hardcore etc. Not the first time and won't be the last. Either way, again, you are correct in that everyone should enjoy what you have and use it how you want to 'play' it. Nobody is better than anyone else..

4 minutes ago, March Hare said:

@MrBitstFlyerIt says you're quoting me, but I didn't say that...

Oh, sorry about that - I'm not sure how to change it 🤔

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I am a hardcore flightsimmer. I have learnt to play MSFS to the point where I can fly from anywhere to anywhere in anything,  without crashing.

I am also a hardcore Witcher3 player. I have learnt to play the Witcher3 on the hardest difficulty to the point I can play through the game without dying.

To master either requires much the same set of skills..

Edited by jarmstro

That's pretty accurate actually. lol.

10 hours ago, AvAngel said:

makes me uber leet gg pogchamp best of everyone right?

I feel old… I had to make two Google searches to start to understand your sentence and am not sure I did succeed really 😏 😅 ! 

 

Dominique

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22 hours ago, GSalden said:

So  in your opinion the difference between someone simming on a 14” laptop and practicing patterns is just as hardcore as someone with a full size A320 cockpit using 3 4K beamers as it is a “State of mind” ….

I don’t think so 🤔

I apologize it's taken me a while to get caught up on this topic and read through everything. I would just like to single this one comment out however, because it's nauseating. 

I have tried to read through your comments in this thread without rolling my eyes all the way back through my head. You couldn't be more wrong, and even then, comically so. Just because you sprung to spend a ton of money on some flashy home cockpit and displays does not make you a more "hard core simmer". First of all, this whole debate is hilarious. What is a "hard core simmer". To me, it's someone that adheres as closely to real life flight planning and execution as possible and YES - that can be done on a 14" laptop flying circuits. As others have mentioned, even more so than what you do, turning on the autopilot at 400AGL until you're coming in for landing and turning it off 200AGL. 

The next thing that made my eyes roll backwards over and over again was your critique of MSFS and comparing it P3D or other platforms you use to power up your magical home flight sim room.  Those platforms have been around for a decade. Of course MSFS isn't advanced enough YET to offer such a serious and hard core simmer as you. I will say however, never in the history of flight sim has a developer been this committed to making something so groundbreaking and accessible to everyone, which benefits us all! Even guys like you. You know-- the true, super, truly gifted, only hardcore of hardcorest flight sim enthusiasts such as yourself. EVEN YOU GUYS, with your home cockpits will benefit in the end from this innovation. Thankfully, those that have 14" laptops and that like to fly circuits will also benefit. 

Seriously dude. Take a second to pat yourself on the back. You did it. You're hardcore. 

Just a side note:

I'd say I'm behaving like an hardcore simmer when I find important the way a given add-on is simulated in detail, no matter for what platform.

Presentlyfor me the topmost detailled / study-level / hardcore is by far a Challenger 650 available for X-Plane (which I do not own, and I'm not  even using X-Plane right now) which would be great to have in any platforms ( P3D, MFS, Flight Gear, ...):

 

 

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Flightsimming since 1992

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33 minutes ago, Bdub22 said:

I apologize it's taken me a while to get caught up on this topic and read through everything. I would just like to single this one comment out however, because it's nauseating. 

I have tried to read through your comments in this thread without rolling my eyes all the way back through my head. You couldn't be more wrong, and even then, comically so. Just because you sprung to spend a ton of money on some flashy home cockpit and displays does not make you a more "hard core simmer". First of all, this whole debate is hilarious. What is a "hard core simmer". To me, it's someone that adheres as closely to real life flight planning and execution as possible and YES - that can be done on a 14" laptop flying circuits. As others have mentioned, even more so than what you do, turning on the autopilot at 400AGL until you're coming in for landing and turning it off 200AGL. 

The next thing that made my eyes roll backwards over and over again was your critique of MSFS and comparing it P3D or other platforms you use to power up your magical home flight sim room.  Those platforms have been around for a decade. Of course MSFS isn't advanced enough YET to offer such a serious and hard core simmer as you. I will say however, never in the history of flight sim has a developer been this committed to making something so groundbreaking and accessible to everyone, which benefits us all! Even guys like you. You know-- the true, super, truly gifted, only hardcore of hardcorest flight sim enthusiasts such as yourself. EVEN YOU GUYS, with your home cockpits will benefit in the end from this innovation. Thankfully, those that have 14" laptops and that like to fly circuits will also benefit. 

Seriously dude. Take a second to pat yourself on the back. You did it. You're hardcore. 

Q : If you have spent a lot of time reading my comments then tell me where did I write that I am a hardcore simmer …

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Regarding P3D : the SDK supports more than the MSFS SDK at this moment. That might change in the future but home cockpits are not MS priority. LM uses P3D in their licensed flightsims as it supports all features needed.

So I keep on hoping that the MSFS SDK will be enhanced more than is it now. Is that a problem  for you ? … It seems so.

You can write superlong posts but it won’t change it …. 🧐

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10 minutes ago, GSalden said:

Q : If you have spent a lot of time reading my comments then tell me where did I write that I am a hardcore simmer …

 

Hmmm, it was probably when you said: "  in your opinion the difference between someone simming on a 14” laptop and practicing patterns is just as hardcore as someone with a full size A320 cockpit using 3 4K beamers".

You're referring to YOU and YOUR setup. By default, in that statement, you are referring to yourself as a hardcore simmer. Just own it dude. Like I said, pat yourself on the back. You're as hardcore as it gets. 

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