11 minutes ago, GSalden said:

So  in your opinion the difference between someone simming on a 14” laptop and practicing patterns is just as hardcore as someone with a full size A320 cockpit using 3 4K beamers as it is a “State of mind” ….

I don’t think so 🤔

My girlfriend is laughing her head off 🤣

8 minutes ago, Holdit said:

Yes, if he's taking it just as seriously. It's about flight, not buttons.

Interesting how the definition of hardcore simmer is a moving target though. It's gone from deeply-modelled airliner systems to how much money the simmer can afford to throw at the hobby. This just indicates even more clearly what a meaningless term it is.

You probably never tried a full-size simulator if you write this. And that’s ok….

3 minutes ago, Pathfinder633 said:

My girlfriend is laughing her head off 🤣

Probably because you are taking a game more serious than her and she is dating a real pilot behind your back and you don’t see it 😆

You are only "hard core" if you've been a member of AVSIM for more than ten years. 😀

24 minutes ago, GSalden said:

You probably never tried a full-size simulator if you write this. And that’s ok….

Well I have 50-odd hours in various full-motion sims - and despite that I still consider my simming just as hardcore (using the equipment in my sig) as those that have spent tens of thousands on screens, knobs, yokes etc. …. 
The 6000+ hours I have flown in BAVirtual were all flown fully by the numbers.

50 minutes ago, GSalden said:

I don’t think so 🤔

Exactly!!! YOU don't think so. But other may think so. And who are you or anyone else to say what is or isn't a hardcore simmer? You have your set of requirements before you regard someone as a hardcore simmer but someone else may have totally different requirements. And the point is that EVERYONE IS RIGHT because NO ONE can decide for someone else which requirements are right. So in the end it all doesn't matter and we will never ever all agree on a proper definition of what a hardcore simmer is: each person has its own view on it. So... let's forget about that title: it doesn't matter at all. 😉

1 hour ago, GSalden said:

You probably never tried a full-size simulator if you write this. And that’s ok….

If I was in a full-size simulator and not following procedures or correct ATC calls or flying a piston with the engines flat out all the time, I still wouldn't consider myself more hard core than the guy with the 14" laptop who was doing all those things. Likewise if the guy on the 14" laptop is shooting an instrument approach by hand, I would consider that more "hard core" than me pressing buttons in my Airbus and letting the autopilot do it for me.

But thanks for allowing me not to have tried a full-size simulator. I was really worried about that. 🙄

 

1 hour ago, tup61 said:

Exactly!!! YOU don't think so. But other may think so. And who are you or anyone else to say what is or isn't a hardcore simmer? You have your set of requirements before you regard someone as a hardcore simmer but someone else may have totally different requirements. And the point is that EVERYONE IS RIGHT because NO ONE can decide for someone else which requirements are right. So in the end it all doesn't matter and we will never ever all agree on a proper definition of what a hardcore simmer is: each person has its own view on it. So... let's forget about that title: it doesn't matter at all. 😉

FYI : I never wrote who was hardcore and who not … Show me that I wrote that somewhere.

I used things that others quoted about that.

12 minutes ago, Holdit said:

If I was in a full-size simulator and not following procedures or correct ATC calls or flying a piston with the engines flat out all the time, I still wouldn't consider myself more hard core than the guy with the 14" laptop who was doing all those things. Likewise if the guy on the 14" laptop is shooting an instrument approach by hand, I would consider that more "hard core" than me pressing buttons in my Airbus and letting the autopilot do it for me.

But thanks for allowing me not to have tried a full-size simulator. I was really worried about that. 🙄

 

After having read this I now have a big smile on my face 😁

13 hours ago, Noel said:

To me, the entire label, 'hardcore simmer' should really be banned from use at Avsim.  What's far more useful is to forget the label and focus on what needs to be done to improve the simulator.  Support for real size cockpit/multimonitor/6-axis full motion platform support, and all the rest, etc etc etc.  The label is where the contentiousness lives.  I use MSFS almost every single day of the year, and do multiple flights every single day while home.  This behavior is FAR from casual, so am I a 'hardcore flight simmer'?  Of course, depending again on how this is defined.  What if you build a real size cockpit on a 6-axis platform, but you rarely ever 'fly' it because all you really get off on is building and setting the entire thing up, are you still a hardcore simmer?  Probably not!  Every one of us can essentially agree, more or less, on what attributes are either missing, or underdeveloped as it were.   Those bigtime dedicated to expanding hardware elements of a real sized cockpit might as well be labeled, 'flight simulator gearheads' which is really a far more meaningful label than 'hardcore simmer' as it describes what is important to them.

 

Interestingly the term "gearhead" is used a lot in photography, where some hobbyists just can't get enough gear, forgetting that what makes someone a good photographer is the pictures they take, not the number of camera bodies and lenses they're carting around with them. 🙂

 

3 hours ago, ADamiani said:

You are actually labeling people who label themselves, without even knowing them. And giving them a diagnosis, a serious one. Wow.

You just proved spectacularly that labeling is a generalized human need. I think that we should accept that we have different needs, wants, dreams, and avoid judging altogether. Yes, also avoid the "I am hardcore and you are not" attitude. And I agree: "Spending a bunch of money on the sim doesn't make you better than a person with just a joystick". Absolutely right.

And I really hope that the "I am a sane person, I am not sure about you" attitude will stop soon.

A.

Oh I know them. Everyone here does. Rinse and repeat. You are diagnosing a situation you know nothing about. Wow.

2 hours ago, GSalden said:

Probably because you are taking a game more serious than her and she is dating a real pilot behind your back and you don’t see it 😆

Bwahaha, wanna see the licence Ive held for the past 12 years? and you say im taking this game too serious who's the one displaying line of word not allowed in your signature.

I know a willy waver when I see one🤣

2 minutes ago, Pathfinder633 said:

Bwahaha, wanna see the licence Ive held for the past 12 years? and you say im taking this game too serious who's the one displaying line of word not allowed in your signature.

I know a willy waver when I see one🤣

2 hours ago, DJJose said:

You are only "hard core" if you've been a member of AVSIM for more than ten years. 😀

Hard Core is someone that want's to only fly "study Level"  aircraft on autopilot. 

17 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Hard Core is someone that want's to only fly "study Level"  aircraft on autopilot. 

Study level is advanced ground training to facilitate the ability press buttons. 😀