5 hours ago, VFXSimmer said:

7 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

How is this different to MSFS autogen?  

XPl11 autogen is landclass based.  Without resorting to tools like Ortho2XP and W2XP buildings are somewhat randomly placed as is vegetation.  Autogen buildings are placed in rectangular 'plots of land' that are stacked around the road network.   Its a "plausible" world, but doesn't resemble the real thing.

I was more referring to the look of the autogen itself, but appreciate your explanation. It doesn't really matter to me if buildings are in EXACTLY the right place, as long as the autogen portrays a plausible world.   I certainly appreciate the exact placement of autogen in MSFS, but if lighting and weather in XP12 raise the bar, the autogen just needs to be plausible for me.  

Inibuilds has no choice. Xp is dead and xp12 looks like a joke. If they want to keep business running they must sell in msfs. 

Well, I was just going to hop on my flight sim computer but picked up my iPad and started reading this topic! Enough content here for an original Netflix movie! I’m sure it has been said repeatedly in many ways, developers that move to the MSFS platform have a bright future. Developers with the other platforms will continue to see sales diminish as the MSFS platform continues to pull people on board. I’ve said it so many times before, why certain developers are stuck on a declining platform (if they truly want a prosperous longevity) is difficult to understand. But I am sure, there must be valid and logistical issues that I (or we) are not aware of.

11 hours ago, andy1252 said:

It's beginning to feel like what's needed is some kind of covert oestrogen distribution system getting built in to all these sims. Maybe some hidden mist spray device activated by the x-axis on all controllers or something.

I am having a quiet day, and figured I'd take a look at a couple of what seemed like possibly interesting threads here. One on the XP forum about some of the new features expected in XP12, which I speed-skimmed as it went for about 27 pages (and is probably well over that now if it hasn't been shut down yet), and one here about the number of posts in the MSFS vs P3D fora, which did get shut down. In both those cases, the amount of pointless one-upmanship and generic willy-waggling reeks of sweaty pre-adolescent testosterone. And this thread feels like it's going the same way.

Why oh why do people have to justify and amplify their own choices by diminishing those of others? It's just a sim - enjoy what you enjoy, there's no need to bash everyone else's choice or "prove" why your choice is best.

Two things are happening. The people using MSFS like it, and that is why they are on this forum. Some using XP, now feel like they are on the Titanic, and blame the MSFS users for their dismal future. So they have to come onto this forum and try and stir up some hate and discontent. Soon the gap will be so wide between XP and MSFS, that they will eventually get tired of bashing their heads against a wall, and go away. 🙄

2 hours ago, DaWu said:

xp12 looks like a joke

As does your point. 

From what I have seen of XP12, it looks like a cracking upgrade from 11 - lighting, weather, sound, water and ATC are looking promising.  I am currently at LOWI, which should be pouring with rain, but live weather is clear, yet I would not call MSFS a joke.

3 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

As does your point. 

From what I have seen of XP12, it looks like a cracking upgrade from 11 - lighting, weather, sound, water and ATC are looking promising.  I am currently at LOWI, which should be pouring with rain, but live weather is clear, yet I would not call MSFS a joke.

 Sims are generally a joke unless of course one knows how to use it for a real benefit. Here is an example! A  pax  with zero actual or sim experience lands 208 just by listening  to instructions of  ATC controller (who happened to be a CFI) .So all you need IRL are a confidence and CFI voice in headset! LOL 

 

Edited June 7, 20224 yr by sd_flyer

5 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Two things are happening. The people using MSFS like it, and that is why they are on this forum. Some using XP, now feel like they are on the Titanic, and blame the MSFS users for their dismal future. So they have to come onto this forum and try and stir up some hate and discontent. Soon the gap will be so wide between XP and MSFS, that they will eventually get tired of bashing their heads against a wall, and go away. 🙄

Can you imagine it the other way round? That's what I've seen in the "other" forum.

1 hour ago, sd_flyer said:

 Sims are generally a joke unless of course one knows how to use it for a real benefit. Here is an example! A  pax  with zero actual or sim experience lands 208 just by listening  to instructions of  ATC controller (who happened to be a CFI) .So all you need IRL are a confidence and CFI voice in headset! LOL 

 

And that tells us what? "Normal" flying is relatively simple (landing of course the most difficult part) - like driving with your car from home to the office. Kind of "boring". Last year I took part at two safe driving trainings (like below) - I can tell you, THAT was fun. You learn there what to do in emergencies. Similarly in the flight sim - flying from A to B is relatively boring, emergencies are the icing on the cake.

Why do RW pilots get a relatively high salary? Not because they can feed an FMC, take off and land, but because they can handle emergencies. And they do the training of emergencies (not feeding the FMC, taking off and landng) in ... guess what 😀 ... a flight simulator.

 

Edited June 7, 20224 yr by flying_carpet

20 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

I'll just say that XPL was the worst simulator for me with the worst array of study level airliners, the worst visuals  and the worst immersion (no moving people, no useful AI traffic etc.). P3D was superior by far.
Now that might be different with a Cessna 152 because of better flight dynamics, but on the PMDG and FSL that's not as impactful at all.
Now with MSFS visuals and immersion are spot on, and the array of airliners is slowly getting where I need it. Flight dynamics are better than P3D, so flight dynamics is - if at all - the only upside for XPL. The only one. Anything else in XPL is far inferior to P3D and MSFS, at least for my way of simulating real life airliner procedural flying. I sure know not a single real life tubepilot that flies airliners in XPL (other than once or twice to see the A300 or something). Most have been using P3D for home training purposes but more and more are switching to MSFS now, especially with the Fenix out now (most pilots I know here in Germany fly the Airbus).

Agreed... as MSFS currently stands, along with all the realistic aircraft implementations that flooded the scene in May (like the Milviz C310, Fenix A320, PMDG 737, FSW 414, Sting S4, etc) it provides for a compelling flight dynamics environment not too unlike XP11 in my experience with both, and various others including IRL pilots and competent reviewers would seem to agree. For sure the ground handling in MSFS is lacking (though worked around in some 3rd party aircrafts), and there's no weather radar, but those are areas being fixed/improved >= SU10.

As you say, given that MSFS is far superior in various other areas (especially the world/weather/lighting rendering+simulation) and just immersion overall, even if MSFS SU10/SU11+ only allows for flight dynamics that is 90%, 80% of XP12's capabilities, the overall experience in MSFS is just unbeatable. No wonder then various old and new 3rd party devs are investing in and focusing on MSFS. And for those of us who only like to build around one sim for convenience's sake, other sims' new incarnations are going to have to provide a *total* experience that is rather compelling above and beyond... which they don't at all look to be doing now. But let's see what P3D v6 provides if and when 🙂

22 hours ago, andy1252 said:

It's beginning to feel like what's needed is some kind of covert oestrogen distribution system getting built in to all these sims. Maybe some hidden mist spray device activated by the x-axis on all controllers or something.

I am having a quiet day, and figured I'd take a look at a couple of what seemed like possibly interesting threads here. One on the XP forum about some of the new features expected in XP12, which I speed-skimmed as it went for about 27 pages (and is probably well over that now if it hasn't been shut down yet), and one here about the number of posts in the MSFS vs P3D fora, which did get shut down. In both those cases, the amount of pointless one-upmanship and generic willy-waggling reeks of sweaty pre-adolescent testosterone. And this thread feels like it's going the same way.

Why oh why do people have to justify and amplify their own choices by diminishing those of others? It's just a sim - enjoy what you enjoy, there's no need to bash everyone else's choice or "prove" why your choice is best.

Before this thread also gets shut down (it sure seems to be heading that way), I’ll just take the opportunity to say that I agree with what you say. I’m currently in the midst of reading through this thread, and while the topic is interesting, it’s fascinating (perhaps a bit disturbing) how it descends into an inter-sim war.

Im not using XP anymore, but just because of that I don’t think it’s a bad sim, and I can appreciate that some prefer using it alongside MSFS. 

Edited June 7, 20224 yr by Cpt_Piett

21 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

I sure know not a single real life tubepilot that flies airliners in XPL

From 4:30:50 he talks about his impressions of PMDG 737-700 vs the Zibo mod 737-800, and also XP11 vs MSFS. He’s a RW NG Captain and has continued to make XP11 videos since the launch of MSFS. His last XP11 stream was just 10 days ago.

Edited June 7, 20224 yr by Cpt_Piett

17 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

 

 

And, actually this one in particular commented on how better the Zibo felt compared to the PMDG, for various reasons related to flight dynamics... but not only ...

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Edited June 7, 20224 yr by jcomm

1 hour ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Before this thread also gets shut down (it sure seems to be heading that way), I’ll just take the opportunity to say that I agree with what you say. I’m currently in the midst of reading through this thread, and while the topic is interesting, it’s fascinating (perhaps a bit disturbing) how it descends into an inter-sim war.

Im not using XP anymore, but just because of that I don’t think it’s a bad sim, and I can appreciate that some prefer using it alongside MSFS. 

Unfortunately, it's the same XP posters that don't use MSFS, that come in to the MSFS forums and stir stuff up and derail threads.  It's a shame, really.

We have dual users of XP and MSFS in this thread, which is fine, because those are users of MSFS in the end (ie. Jcomm, MrBitstFlyer, etc). But then we have primarily XP users that don't use MSFS, that come here to the MSFS forum and constantly derail threads.

I think these primarily XP users, when they come to the MSFS forum, should be more respectful when posting here.  If they are more respectful, I don't mind them posting here. But sadly, they are not very respectful here in the MSFS forums.

PS. For the record, I have posted in the P3D and XP forums myself in the past, but I have never been warned or banned by a mod yet, I try to keep as respectful as possible when in those forums (but even if I bring out plain facts, those fact themselves can be controversial in those forums).

Edited June 7, 20224 yr by abrams_tank

6 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

 Sims are generally a joke unless of course one knows how to use it for a real benefit. Here is an example! A  pax  with zero actual or sim experience lands 208 just by listening  to instructions of  ATC controller (who happened to be a CFI) .So all you need IRL are a confidence and CFI voice in headset! LOL 

 

Turns out this inexperienced passenger had been flying in this aircraft for many years and was also a part owner. 

3 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

But then we have primarily XP users that don't use MSFS, that come here to the MSFS forum and constantly derail threads.

Fair enough. It seems as though there are also MSFS users that are either current or ex P3D users but have never used XP in any meaningful way, but still make it their mission to hammer away at how pathetic it is.