PMDG not planning to update LNAV for P3D

[Ray Proudfoot 8,523]

@Johnny19, join the club. I’ve been awarded an infraction too. “intentionally dishonest” apparently. I’ve asked for clarification on what part of my post covered that.

Anyway, it would appear they haven’t abandoned P3D support but MSFS has to take priority. Quite understandable. More news in two months. 👍

[DD_Arthur 795]

2 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@Johnny19, join the club. I’ve been awarded an infraction too. “intentionally dishonest” apparently. 

Wut!?😲

Their house, their rules but......

[roesti 70]

When reading stuff like this..

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I think a few in this thread perhaps need to go take a dog for a walk and enjoy some fresh air and sunshine and stop looking for trouble in every unparsed sentence

.. I wonder if he rather should follow his own advice. Maybe it's just me, but it reads like projecting his own "issues" (I don't see any in asking some simple questions) onto loyal customers.

Don't know if this is a smart decision, but it's his company of course. I for myself won't ever buy anything from this company again, that's my decision then. Thanks for the insights, after seeing people getting banned for trying to just asking questions about a topic which needs obviously some clarification, I only can shake my head. Good to know though, move on. I'm sure there will be some other developer in the future happily taking over the "Boeing add-on market" in the future. I can wait.

Edited June 6, 2022 by roesti

[anzac1977 138]

I have no idea what RSR expected would happen with his 2 sentence throw away line.

Paying customers then ask for a proper comment, he says Ray has an alternative motive and attacks him and others.

Finally see this is not going away and gives a proper response as to why things are as they are.

Just speechless but not surprised with his attitude. 

@Ray Proudfoot Thank you for been the voice of reason and hleping get to the bottom of this.

[Patco Lch 1,370]

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@Johnny19, join the club. I’ve been awarded an infraction too. “intentionally dishonest” apparently. I’ve asked for clarification on what part of my post covered that.

Anyway, it would appear they haven’t abandoned P3D support but MSFS has to take priority. Quite understandable. More news in two months. 👍

Not believing this. I read your post and thought it was quite gentlemanly. 

[Ray Proudfoot 8,523]

11 minutes ago, Patco Lch said:

Not believing this. I read your post and thought it was quite gentlemanly. 

Thanks. I feel the same. But in later posts he has calmed down and seemingly given an assurance P3D issues will be addressed once the MSFS version is finished. I can understand that. I imagine they’re under a great deal of pressure especially when Asobo updates are so flaky.

This topic seems to have brought this forum back to life. Excellent! 👍

[B777ER 2,346]

2 hours ago, james42 said:

"I think a few in this thread perhaps need to go take a dog for a walk and enjoy some fresh air and sunshine and stop looking for trouble in every unparsed sentence."

What a way to speak to loyal paying customers. As far as i can see, the thread is quite constructive and just really P3D users looking for clarification on PMDG's standpoint on the sim. I hate to see PMDG lowering their standard like this.   

Randazzo is a walking PR headache. Guy can't help but keep inserting his foot in his mouth. 

[B777ER 2,346]

So, I got 2 infractions, 5 points and 30 reputation points. Whatever makes him feel better. I stand behind what I said.

No. 1 followed by No. 2: 

Dear B777ER, You have received an infraction at PMDG Simulations. Reason: Misinformation Campaigner ------- Eric-

Please do not engage in deliberate misinformation in the PMDG forum. Nothing has been offered that changes our position on P3D and you know this well from long participation in our forum. Continued misinformation campaigning will be met unfavorably by the moderators.

While you appear quite happy to point out a cut/paste of a comment on Avsim- you fail quite deliberately to point out the many comments and posts that have been made since then advising users of how our development agenda is changing in real time.

Perhaps you have never been in a position to run a team dedicated to accomplishing much of anything, but you find that often times the real world requires adaptation, grit and effort. We have communicated this often and clearly.

This drama you are helping to foment is entirely imaginary and speaks poorly to your character.

You mention you wish not to be our customer any longer. That is unfortunate, but I will close your account for you in order to ensure you have no further temptation to spend money with PMDG if you like.

- RSR ------- This infraction is worth 2 point(s), 20 reputation penalty and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire. Original Post: https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-fo...493#post195493

 

 

Originally posted by StachM View Post

According to the update back in January, the LNAV update for the QOTS II/747 was already in beta testing at that time. Why not finish it?

My point as well. It was in a second round of beta testing last we heard officially in P3D. Now, we find out the long promised LNAV update is no longer coming to P3D (there is a screen shot grab of Robert's comment on Avsim). How is anyone supposed to believe anything Randazzo posts anymore? I certainly will not. The day is coming when I will move to MSFS and for sure, I will never spend any funds on PMDG anymore after this CaptainSim type move. I'd rather go without any plane they make then give them another dime.

All the best, PMDG Simulations

 

rsrandazzo Today, 14:00

Dear B777ER, You have received an infraction at PMDG Simulations. Reason: Antagonising Other Users ------- Eric-

It is time to knock it off now. You are engaging in precisely the sort of behavior that you excoriated FSX users for engaging in a few years ago.

Take a deep breath and realize you are wrong Eric. Might take some time to go for a walk too. It may help your frame of reference.

-RSR ------- This infraction is worth 3 point(s), 10 reputation penalty and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire. Original Post: https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-fo...485#post195485

 

 

Originally posted by B777ER View Post

Been a long time with zero news on LNAV update. I am under no illusion that P3D is the unwanted step child but we last heard a second round of beta testing was occurring with it. Any updates on timelines for release?

Guess I was right. Never happening.

All the best, PMDG Simulations

 

Edited June 6, 2022 by B777ER

[roesti 70]

@B777ER

Wow, okay. I'm surprised seeing this really sad form of "forum vendetta" from a professional business, don't know how to say better.. maybe speechless fits more. I don't think it's necessary to comment on details, but this certainly isn't how any conversation between adult people or customer / supplier interaction should take place.

Passive aggressiveness, judging the personality of a customer. Sigh. I get it, we are all people and sometimes have some bad day or two. But most of the time I guess it's better to take a breath when you encounter anger, wait 5 minutes or maybe an hour and think about what you wanted to say after the first impulse, and then reconsider.

That's just some advice I can give to this company personally. I'm thankful for the products delivered by PMDG in the past. They were incredible by their times and I think nobody can deny they brought innovation to the flight simulation community many times. But this doesn't justify this kind of behaviour.

I can understand that RSR is most likely kind of emotionally involved in his projects and feels like he constantly needs to defend his decisions. Still I think a normal and healthy conversation about issues (even if PMDG denies it) needs to be possible. Maybe it's time to take a gap year (or two) of his business, get some distance and re-evaluate everything, coming back after getting some rest after all those years of hard work. Or discuss internally about some kind of new strategy regarding public relations, so he stays more in the background and delegate communction to somebody more capable in the field of social skills. This kind of communcation strategy is just not fitting for the year 2022, I'm sorry and am puzzled about how a company, really capable of doing great stuff when it comes to developing great add-ons for years, is acting totally weird on the communications side.

Last thoughts: Even if RSR thinks he is correct with his point of view (and maybe he is, for me he isn't), he's totally wrong in how to handle these kind of things.

Edited June 6, 2022 by roesti

[Greggy_D 932]

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

they haven’t abandoned P3D support but MSFS has to take priority. Quite understandable.

It really isn't understandable since he essentially said some of the P3D updates were right around the corner.  Over a year ago.

He deflected and shucked and jived around that small fact.

 

Edited June 6, 2022 by Greggy_D

[micstatic 3,852]

Somebody once said you never win an argument with a customer.  Like he pointed out to many.  I don't run his business.  But I do have experience running business.  He'd be better served directing this focus and energy to innovating and developing features that have been missing from PMDG airplanes that other makers have found a way to incorporate.  

[Ray Proudfoot 8,523]

14 minutes ago, Greggy_D said:

It really isn't understandable since he essentially said some of the P3D updates were right around the corner.  Over a year ago.

He deflected and shucked and jived around that small fact.

I wasn’t aware of that. In two months an announcement is due. Let’s see what that brings.

[Greggy_D 932]

1 hour ago, B777ER said:

Perhaps you have never been in a position to run a team dedicated to accomplishing much of anything, but you find that often times the real world requires adaptation, grit and effort.

This is simply unreal.  They have lost the plot and any semblance of sanity.  Attacking paying customers with assumptions, aggressiveness, and ad hominem?  There aren't enough expletives invented yet in this world to describe that bunch. 

How can ANYONE give that company another cent?

[cowpatz 210]

Surely if you are debugging and testing in P3D, because the MSFS SDK is so lacking, would it not be better to focus resources on getting LNAV 2.0 working as smooth as a Swiss watch in P3D and then transfer those learnings to MSFS? There would be a ready group of suitable testers here that I'm sure would be willing to help.. The updatable nav data base and LNAV performance was ground breaking in their initial product range, but due to a lack of ongoing development, it is now their products Achilles heal. With RNAV/RNP approaches becoming the norm in the real world,, PMDG's limitations with the implementation of this is very apparent.

Edited June 6, 2022 by cowpatz
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[barramundilure 152]

RSR and his company have been a disaster for a number of years now. Having been personally abused publicly by him for pointing out one of his many untruths, i was done with the company long ago.  
Quite clearly no consumer could reasonably make an informed purchase decision based on promises made by this rather untrustworthy individual. 
From my perspective anyone pouring more money into this company has rocks in their heads.

Buyer beware, i will spend my hard earned dollar elsewhere.  He and his company can go to hell.

Edited June 6, 2022 by barramundilure