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FENIX A320... growing on me ...

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I haven't had much time to continue to explore this addon, but it is now in the very 1st place among the few I have for MFS.

Last night spent around 30 min with the Fenix testing a few more scenarios, with rewarding results 🙂

I'd say it is really rewarding and I look forward into updates & fixes that can make it even better, but overall, and maybe because not being a professional and thus not being able to have a more effective view over eventual bugs / limitations, shadows some of those quirks, the few I see are acceptable provided they continue to improve.

Performance wise it is great too, and although I am yet to try the GPU rendering mode ( I've adopted the suggested CPU mode ) I haven't had a single instance of stutters / lag and it's smooth as silk, including the instruments displays.

Glad I bought it !

Unfortunately my other thread where I talked about some kind of weirdiness on the blending between "Ground" and Normal Law got "Closed" because itr somehow derrailed into other considerations, but I intend to post further findings and ask for the opinions of other users.

OTOH, given the attention to detail that LR has announced regarding the modelling of Airbus in the next version of XP, I can't wait to try & compare the two sims when it comes to Airbus FBW and systems simulation 🙂

 

 

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I am in the same boat as you as not a had chance to use it when it was released.  Kinda blown away as Airbus' seem less sterile in the VC now and quite a lot buzzing and action in the VC with metal switch movements, shades, tables etc etc etc. Very immersive.  What a great aircraft in the simulator and in the real world!  The dirt, grime, oil etc etc looks great on the engines and wings.

Would be nice to be able to save panel states and routes in the FMC eventually.

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@jcomm any thoughts on autoland and crosswinds/etc?, where the wind speeds are within autoland limits... interested in your (and others') thoughts on how the Fenix performs at and below those limits (https://mediawiki.ivao.aero/index.php?title=Airbus_320_Limitations)

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52 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

@jcomm any thoughts on autoland and crosswinds/etc?, where the wind speeds are within autoland limits... interested in your (and others') thoughts on how the Fenix performs at and below those limits (https://mediawiki.ivao.aero/index.php?title=Airbus_320_Limitations)

It autolands just fine, at least judging by a couple of experiments. The problem however, is in the platform.

As an experiment, try setting up a 90 degrees x-wind at 4 knots gusting at the opposite direction to 6 knots at 5 gusts/min and see how a, say, 50 ton aircraft handles under such conditions 

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1 hour ago, lwt1971 said:

@jcomm any thoughts on autoland and crosswinds/etc?, where the wind speeds are within autoland limits... interested in your (and others') thoughts on how the Fenix performs at and below those limits (https://mediawiki.ivao.aero/index.php?title=Airbus_320_Limitations)

 

42 minutes ago, ha5mvo said:

It autolands just fine, at least judging by a couple of experiments. The problem however, is in the platform.

As an experiment, try setting up a 90 degrees x-wind at 4 knots gusting at the opposite direction to 6 knots at 5 gusts/min and see how a, say, 50 ton aircraft handles under such conditions 

I have yet to try various scenarios, with DRY and WET rw conditions, effective x-wind between 15 and 20 knot dpending on configuration,

My first test wasn't that great because I saw no sign of an uncrab just before touchdown as I believe should have been the case, so, the aircraft departed preety much upwind and only then corrected, a bit abruptly, to get back to centerline...

Will report further results here.

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2 hours ago, jcomm said:

OTOH, given the attention to detail that LR has announced regarding the modelling of Airbus in the next version of XP, I can't wait to try & compare the two sims when it comes to Airbus FBW and systems simulation 🙂

I think it's a completely unrealistic expectation for the LR Airbus to compete with the Fenix to be honest. It would also not be fair to LR to have such high expectations to a stock plane. But you probably only wanted to plug XP12 here, so yeah.

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7 minutes ago, rka said:

I think it's a completely unrealistic expectation for the LR Airbus to compete with the Fenix to be honest. It would also not be fair to LR to have such high expectations to a stock plane. But you probably only wanted to plug XP12 here, so yeah.

Yeah, I don't expect LR to have also licensed the ProSim engine.

 

1 hour ago, ha5mvo said:

It autolands just fine, at least judging by a couple of experiments. The problem however, is in the platform.

As an experiment, try setting up a 90 degrees x-wind at 4 knots gusting at the opposite direction to 6 knots at 5 gusts/min and see how a, say, 50 ton aircraft handles under such conditions 

It's mind boggling that they didn't yet satisfyingly address this issue. Or maybe even notice its severity? I mean, the basics are in place, but so overdone... I'm talking about MSFS, not the Fenix.

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9 minutes ago, rka said:

I think it's a completely unrealistic expectation for the LR Airbus to compete with the Fenix to be honest. It would also not be fair to LR to have such high expectations to a stock plane. But you probably only wanted to plug XP12 here, so yeah.

Then, why are they developing an A330? Is this a test for XP12?

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3 minutes ago, flyingpauls said:

Then, why are they developing an A330? Is this a test for XP12?

They're removing a few of the (partly very old) stock planes and the A330 will be added new in 12.

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3 hours ago, jcomm said:

I'd say it is really rewarding and I look forward into updates & fixes that can make it even better, but overall, and maybe because not being a professional and thus not being able to have a more effective view over eventual bugs / limitations, shadows some of those quirks

My two cents: I’ve used it A LOT since release, up to 3 flights a day. And it’s certainly been both rewarding and enjoyable. I agree with what you’re alluding to here re: not being a type rated pilot. Because of that any limitations don’t bother me as much as they simply don’t come to my attention that easily. 

No problems with auto land so far, but I haven’t been near the limits. I didn’t notice the lack of decrabbing, but most of my landing are manual landings.

What I have noticed, that doesn’t detract hugely from the overall experience, is the somewhat aggressive VNAV ie keeping speed at the lower end of the speed bracket in managed mode. When it happens I go into manual mode so it’s not a huge deal. Also the slowing down before speed restrictions seems a bit late. 

Im not in the habit of comparing it to the FCOM every time I fly it so I’d probably get more enjoyment out of it than others that might be judging it from a more critical standpoint. 

Having said that I’ve taken a break from it for the last few days as I was getting a bit overloaded on airliner flying. Instead I’ve been doing valley runs in Nepal in the magnificent freeware Savage Grravel. 

TL;DR: It’s my favorite aircraft addon right now. 

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I'm pretty sure it will improve more and more over time. I just watch another A320 captain stream flying Fenix. Very fun to watch. Also after harsh comments regarding Fenix of some "bus drivers" ( in another thread) I understand when my buddy told me long time ago why there are some captain in airline no one wants to fly with LOL

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I went thru a very extensive stint flying almost nothing but the fslabs.  Then almost overnight lost interest.  But I must say I just took my first flight in the fenix last night.  Love it. 

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45 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

What I have noticed, that doesn’t detract hugely from the overall experience, is the somewhat aggressive VNAV ie keeping speed at the lower end of the speed bracket in managed mode. When it happens I go into manual mode so it’s not a huge deal. Also the slowing down before speed restrictions seems a bit late. 

 

This one.... oh this one. This one is personal.

So much so that we've stopped trying to fix or adjust the code to be more representative - and just thrown all the math out the window, and literally redid it all. The results are very promising in the prototype builds. Still more testing to go, but it's coming along.

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6 minutes ago, Aamir said:

This one.... oh this one. This one is personal.

So much so that we've stopped trying to fix or adjust the code to be more representative - and just thrown all the math out the window, and literally redid it all. The results are very promising in the prototype builds. Still more testing to go, but it's coming along.

Looking forward to the VNAV v2 shootout: Fenix vs. FBW, since both are rewrites :D

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1 minute ago, gdjak said:

Looking forward to the VNAV v2 shootout: Fenix vs. FBW, since both are rewrites 😄

To be clear, this is less a rewrite of logic, more a re-"math", where the vertical pathing angle computation has essentially been thrown out of the window and hooked up to a new set of math.

Once that's been assessed we'll look at other areas if need be 🙂

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