4 hours ago, Mace said:

Have you heard anything about Quito / SEQM?   Their P3D version is a lot of fun.  But as was said, I suppose there's no guarantee that FlightBeam will move something they made previously, over to MSFS.

Note that SEQM was not developed by Mir at FlightBeam, it's actually by DreamFlight I believe. FlightBeam is just the publisher, so it would be up to DreamFlight to convert it.

I am a big fan Of Flightbeam, make excellent airports, besides FlyTampa as well.

11 hours ago, cavaricooper said:

Agreed- I’m for adding all the detail possible to the runways and aprons but couldn’t care less about coffee bars and shops inside terminals… there’s A LOT that could be added to areas visible from the flight deck… and that’s all I care about. 

It's the price we are paying now for generally having much faster computers now than we did 5 or 10 years ago when all this extra detail dragged down performance. It seems to be assumed acceptable now to stack the scenery with every coffee cup and rubbish bin and the way these sceneries install now there's no longer any box that seems to pop up and ask you if you want this or don't want that...

Edited July 14, 20223 yr by flyhalf
..Afterthought

It’s the price we pay for catering to the greater unwashed… I care about what affects my aircraft’s operations and creates a (albeit willing) suspension of disbelief from the flight deck. All that wasted modeling could be devoted to the apron and increase detail there. Alas, more and more scenery developers seem to go towards information screens, baristas and other assorted nonsense I will never see in a FLIGHTsim. They already have SimCity for those so inclined…

Still, I will acknowledge there are dispirit viewpoints, and so would be happy with whatever increase in apron modeling can occur… that bit is hugely important.

Horses for courses…

On 7/14/2022 at 3:07 AM, cavaricooper said:

It’s the price we pay for catering to the greater unwashed… I care about what affects my aircraft’s operations and creates a (albeit willing) suspension of disbelief from the flight deck. All that wasted modeling could be devoted to the apron and increase detail there. Alas, more and more scenery developers seem to go towards information screens, baristas and other assorted nonsense I will never see in a FLIGHTsim. They already have SimCity for those so inclined…

Still, I will acknowledge there are dispirit viewpoints, and so would be happy with whatever increase in apron modeling can occur… that bit is hugely important.

Horses for courses…

 

That's precisely what this KDEN update is going to achieve. There are no ridiculous coffee shops, or deep interior models that are invisible from aircraft. Everything being added can be seen from the Flight Deck. The purpose of this is to give the aircraft at the gates more immersion, you will see these details along with sitting/standing passengers, plus passengers on the move walking about. Additionally all of this detail is highly LOD optimized, if you turn away or move further away from the terminal, all these details disappear without you noticing. Only sections of terminals that you approach will load interior details.

I think those who have been following my work for a while know I hate waste of interior modeling, especially things like check-in stands that cannot be seen from an aircraft. The only exception may be ATC tower interiors, because these spots serve a purpose for online communities.

On 7/14/2022 at 5:07 AM, cavaricooper said:

It’s the price we pay for catering to the greater unwashed… I care about what affects my aircraft’s operations and creates a (albeit willing) suspension of disbelief from the flight deck. All that wasted modeling could be devoted to the apron and increase detail there. Alas, more and more scenery developers seem to go towards information screens, baristas and other assorted nonsense I will never see in a FLIGHTsim. They already have SimCity for those so inclined…

Still, I will acknowledge there are dispirit viewpoints, and so would be happy with whatever increase in apron modeling can occur… that bit is hugely important.

Horses for courses…

I agree.  I think what happens now is that people use Drone camera to look at all the parts of the airport and some customers are demanding tht interior.

32 minutes ago, Mir // Flightbeam said:

 

That's precisely what this KDEN update is going to achieve. There are no ridiculous coffee shops, or deep interior models that are invisible from aircraft. Everything being added can be seen from the Flight Deck. The purpose of this is to give the aircraft at the gates more immersion, you will see these details along with sitting/standing passengers, plus passengers on the move walking about. Additionally all of this detail is highly LOD optimized, if you turn away or move further away from the terminal, all these details disappear without you noticing. Only sections of terminals that you approach will load interior details.

I think those who have been following my work for a while know I hate waste of interior modeling, especially things like check-in stands that cannot be seen from an aircraft. The only exception may be ATC tower interiors, because these spots serve a purpose for online communities.

Keep doing what you're doing Mir and don't change. We love your work dude!

On 7/14/2022 at 6:07 PM, cavaricooper said:

It’s the price we pay for catering to the greater unwashed…

Hey! That's me that you're talking about, and I wash at least once per week!

I absolutely love terminal interiors with pax. The world moves on, and it's fun to look around the airport "on foot" (via drone) before the flight. Look out the windows at the plane you're about to fly.

I definitely preference buying airports with good terminal interiors.

Mir was on a thread a while back and I asked him nicely for some pax for the NZ airports.

Thanks Mir! I've been missing them in the Flightbeam airports. Hopefully they be can retrospectively added to the other airports somewhere down the track.

As for Flightbeam, I'm perfectly happy if they want to "claim" and airport, because they're an absolute top-tier developer.

I picked up the full set in the recent sales. Hard to go wrong with these guys (and their partners do quality work too).

ur work is always a master piece!!!

So did I miss something? Lots of hype and discussion.  Is there a launch date for this?

On 7/14/2022 at 11:07 AM, cavaricooper said:

It’s the price we pay for catering to the greater unwashed… I care about what affects my aircraft’s operations and creates a (albeit willing) suspension of disbelief from the flight deck. All that wasted modeling could be devoted to the apron and increase detail there. Alas, more and more scenery developers seem to go towards information screens, baristas and other assorted nonsense I will never see in a FLIGHTsim. They already have SimCity for those so inclined…

Still, I will acknowledge there are dispirit viewpoints, and so would be happy with whatever increase in apron modeling can occur… that bit is hugely important.

Horses for courses…

 

15 hours ago, Mir // Flightbeam said:

 

That's precisely what this KDEN update is going to achieve. There are no ridiculous coffee shops, or deep interior models that are invisible from aircraft. Everything being added can be seen from the Flight Deck. The purpose of this is to give the aircraft at the gates more immersion, you will see these details along with sitting/standing passengers, plus passengers on the move walking about. Additionally all of this detail is highly LOD optimized, if you turn away or move further away from the terminal, all these details disappear without you noticing. Only sections of terminals that you approach will load interior details.

I think those who have been following my work for a while know I hate waste of interior modeling, especially things like check-in stands that cannot be seen from an aircraft. The only exception may be ATC tower interiors, because these spots serve a purpose for online communities.

@cavaricooper, I'm hoping you're not entirely serious with your "greater unwashed" comments there Carl. As ever with these sorts of comments you have your opinions (or maybe it's tongue in cheek, I can't tell for sure) and others have theirs. Personally, I'll never understand why anybody gets excited about things like the taxiway lighting or apron markings. And if folk really only want a FLIGHTsim, why bother with anything outside the cockpit at all?

and @Mir // Flightbeam, you are of course totally and absolutely entitled to create your airports in any way you want. And I have bought prettty much all of them (all sims) and think they're great. But if anybody produced a version of any of the airports that you've done and those versions include better internal detail I wouldn't hesitate to buy that one instead of yours.

This probably reads as more aggressive than I intend it to, and I don't often bother to get involved in this sort of thing, but I do get a bit tired of the puritanical streak that occasionally surfaces about flight sims. I know from my own small circle of contacts that I am definitely not unique in my use of both this and previous sims. There are more than a few of us out here who are only marginally interested (if at all) in the deep mechanics and complexities of replicating the experience of actually piloting an aircraft, but who just enjoy flying around in these simulated worlds.

And I rather suspect that its the likes of us that have kept the addon scenery suppliers in business over the years, not the "serious pilot" type of guys. There's another thread going on in here about buying scenery and that's got a lot of folk proudly boasting about how they've only ever bought two airports in their entire simming career or whatever. And I also suspect it's the presence of a market like us that may have enticed MS/Asobo back in to the game (sorry, should that be "sim"?) in the first place, and forms the basis of their business plans for the coming years.

Anyway, to go back to the original point of this thread - I too am looking forward to the new KDEN.

Perhaps with not quite the same level of enthusiasm now though.

13 minutes ago, andy1252 said:

 

@cavaricooper,  Personally, I'll never understand why anybody gets excited about things like the taxiway lighting or apron markings. And if folk really only want a FLIGHTsim, why bother with anything outside the cockpit at all?

I don't really understand this comment in any way.  You don't see how a detailed airport environment is relevant to somebody who enjoys flight simulation?  Something as simple as the quality of the tarmac can make or break an airport for me in terms of perceived quality.  

13 minutes ago, andy1252 said:

and @Mir // Flightbeam, you are of course totally and absolutely entitled to create your airports in any way you want. And I have bought prettty much all of them (all sims) and think they're great. But if anybody produced a version of any of the airports that you've done and those versions include better internal detail I wouldn't hesitate to buy that one instead of yours.

This probably reads as more aggressive than I intend it to, and I don't often bother to get involved in this sort of thing, but I do get a bit tired of the puritanical streak that occasionally surfaces about flight sims. I know from my own small circle of contacts that I am definitely not unique in my use of both this and previous sims. There are more than a few of us out here who are only marginally interested (if at all) in the deep mechanics and complexities of replicating the experience of actually piloting an aircraft, but who just enjoy flying around in these simulated worlds.

And I rather suspect that its the likes of us that have kept the addon scenery suppliers in business over the years, not the "serious pilot" type of guys. There's another thread going on in here about buying scenery and that's got a lot of folk proudly boasting about how they've only ever bought two airports in their entire simming career or whatever. And I also suspect it's the presence of a market like us that may have enticed MS/Asobo back in to the game (sorry, should that be "sim"?) in the first place, and forms the basis of their business plans for the coming years.

Anyway, to go back to the original point of this thread - I too am looking forward to the new KDEN.

Perhaps with not quite the same level of enthusiasm now though.

I think you on one hand can recognize that you are part of a niche of a niche.  However on the other hand I think you are incorrect that this niche somehow is the majority of people in flight sim or the majority of the people who buy scenery in flight sim.  The serious pilot (your title not mine, in my mind are EXACTLY the ones who buy airline airports.  It's easy to read a few threads where people describe how they are perfectly content not buying addon scenery.  But their are clear many people who do not find default scenery good enough.  I'm in the camp that I'm less interested in the inside of the airport.  If it helps create a more believable image when I taxi up to the gate, then I'm all for it however.  But I'll probably fly the drone camera around a terminal exactly once, and probably only for a minute or two.  I'm very excited for this update because flightbeam is top notch.  

Looking forward to this a lot. However, what about accurate airline gate assignments? I really do hope these are included in this update, as many airport devs seem to suddenly not care about airline gate assignments anymore in MSFS.

5 hours ago, andy1252 said:

Anyway, to go back to the original point of this thread - I too am looking forward to the new KDEN.

Perhaps with not quite the same level of enthusiasm now though.

It's a massive update, provided for free ... I literally do not understand how a customer can already have doubts or possible discontents about a free update. Alas, this is the current market.

4 minutes ago, Mir // Flightbeam said:

It's a massive update, provided for free ... I literally do not understand how a customer can already have doubts or possible discontents about a free update. Alas, this is the current market.

The work is greatly appreciated by the rest of us, so thanks