1 hour ago, ggerolamo said:

This chatter is pretty sure from ProATC itself !

I see.  ProATC will do ATC chatter in local languages?  That's fairly unique isn't it?

Edited August 10, 20223 yr by Virtual-Chris

2 hours ago, ggerolamo said:

This chatter is pretty sure from ProATC itself !

I haven't tried out the new version yet; but I know in past versions, ProATC came with a very limited number of chatter files by default.  You could then add as many additional sound files as you wanted (from LiveATC, the web, dedicated chatter apps, etc.).  Selected chatter folders/files could also be filtered to only play in certain regions of the world using a map in ProATC's UI.

4 hours ago, Sparkrite said:

8 hours ago, Semor76 said:

No VFR support, no buy.

And VFR needs ATC, why??

Because VFR flights still often take off and land at towered airports or transition through clearance-required airspace.

2 hours ago, eslader said:

Because VFR flights still often take off and land at towered airports or transition through clearance-required airspace.

Can't the default ATC handle that though?  At least in my case, the default ATC seems perfectly usable for VFR and in fact, if I have to switch to IFR due to deteriorating conditions to get back to an ILS runway, it even handles that flawlessly.  What are you missing for VFR from the default ATC?

43 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said:

Can't the default ATC handle that though?  At least in my case, the default ATC seems perfectly usable for VFR and in fact, if I have to switch to IFR due to deteriorating conditions to get back to an ILS runway, it even handles that flawlessly.  What are you missing for VFR from the default ATC?

In my case, it is the speech recognition. While not an issue with airliners where I let the copilot handle ATC coms, flying VFR in GA is way more immersive when I am actually communicating with ATC alone as in the real world. I use Pilot2ATC btw.

Edited August 11, 20223 yr by Ohmsquare
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20 minutes ago, Ohmsquare said:

In my case, it is the speech recognition. While not an issue with airliners where I let the copilot handle ATC coms, flying VFR in GA is way more immersive when I am actually communicating with ATC alone as in the real world. I use Pilot2ATC btw.

Well if I was a developer of any of the ATC add-ons, I'd sacrifice VFR to get better IFR features. Better ATC for VFR is just way way down the list for me. 🙂

Edited August 11, 20223 yr by Virtual-Chris

10 hours ago, Virtual-Chris said:

- The voices are probably the best I've heard outside of the default ATC.

I think this is mainly due to the pilot's voice which is indeed quite good. I know that voice from the first version of ProATC. (Wasn't it the voice of @alpha117...?) Unfortunately not all voices are that good... not even close imho. For instance at 1:46 into the video you get to hear a controller that sounds way off: the voice is a lot clearer than the pilot's own voice, which is odd already, and of you listen to how he pronounces RNAV... that's a good example of one of the worst ATC voices ever imho. Even the pilot can't pronounce RNAV properly. You get to hear these odd voices in various places. Like at 1:57 'continue own navigation'. Awful. Some sentences are spoken almost perfectly but other are really bad.

Concerning the pilot ignoring ATC... you'd almost think he only uses ProATC as a background chatter box because he indeed seems to do his own thing. Like he was assigned an RNAV approach but enters an ILS into the MCDU.

And concering the 'two different approaches': he was flying on HDG so you see the programmed lines on the ND and the HDG lines.

Finally those chatter files: terrible. The 'quality' of these files is all over the place...! Constant change of voices and languages and quality... totally immersion killing if you ask me. I much prefer default ATC or FSHud who both talk to actual traffic around you!!! These files also sometimes are played back while you are talking to ATC making everything a total chaos.

In short: still not impressed. 😉

Interesting 'first impressions' video which actually focuses on ProATC. It's in German though. No problem for me but it may be for others. Worth a look anyway, I think. I did see a few interesting things that got me a little bit more interested in giving this a try after all. The creator of this video does make a few mistakes or doesn't always seem to know what he is talking about (like he seems to be unaware you should update the Navigraph database) but it does give a good first impression anyway. 😉

 

Edited August 11, 20223 yr by tup61

12 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I just looked at the old forum, saw no mention of Pro ATC SR??

I have not purchased Pro ATC SR .....

Stopped using the ProATCx years ago.but had a look in the ProAtcx forum and also did not see support posts for the new MSFS2020 version.

 

So, where is the new forum ....?

According to the forum, there's a bug affecting AIRAC updates. Estimated 2-5 days to fix. 

I now see some posts in the Proatcx forum (General section).

No dedicated forum area for the new Pro ATC SR as far as I could tell.

The voices sound terrible. Epic fail. 

I did a quick run from TJSJ to TNCM. I did have an issue with it pulling in my simbrief flightplan, but I was able to load it via the file download. I did like that the UI is within the SIM. With Pilot2ATC, I have to keep switching back and forth until I'm in the air and the PNF takes over. Clearances worked out fine on departure went without issue. Climb to cruise was progressive as expected, no issues. Descent was given accordingly and I was told to expect the VOR Y to 10. PJM was in my flightplan so it cleared me for the approaching PJM. The only thing that seemed strange is that it cleared me down to 4500 vs 4000 inbound to PJM. Once I flew outbound and turned back in, there were no issues. I was told to contact ground after landing. I have had issues with Pilot2ATC directing the change to ground after landing. Every blue moon P2ATC will tell me to contact ground when off. I will fly out and into mountainous terrain on the next flight to see how it handles descents, vectoring and approaches in mountainous terrain. KASE, here I come!

Rick

10 minutes ago, G550flyer said:

I did a quick run from TJSJ to TNCM. I did have an issue with it pulling in my simbrief flightplan, but I was able to load it via the file download. I did like that the UI is within the SIM. With Pilot2ATC, I have to keep switching back and forth until I'm in the air and the PNF takes over. Clearances worked out fine on departure went without issue. Climb to cruise was progressive as expected, no issues. Descent was given accordingly and I was told to expect the VOR Y to 10. PJM was in my flightplan so it cleared me for the approaching PJM. The only thing that seemed strange is that it cleared me down to 4500 vs 4000 inbound to PJM. Once I flew outbound and turned back in, there were no issues. I was told to contact ground after landing. I have had issues with Pilot2ATC directing the change to ground after landing. Every blue moon P2ATC will tell me to contact ground when off. I will fly out and into mountainous terrain on the next flight to see how it handles descents, vectoring and approaches in mountainous terrain. KASE, here I come!

Rick

Looking forward to your complete review and final impressions!...Very much appreciate you doing this for us that are still on the fence on purchasing the addon. 

Thanks!

2 hours ago, G550flyer said:

I did a quick run from TJSJ to TNCM. I did have an issue with it pulling in my simbrief flightplan, but I was able to load it via the file download. I did like that the UI is within the SIM. With Pilot2ATC, I have to keep switching back and forth until I'm in the air and the PNF takes over. Clearances worked out fine on departure went without issue. Climb to cruise was progressive as expected, no issues. Descent was given accordingly and I was told to expect the VOR Y to 10. PJM was in my flightplan so it cleared me for the approaching PJM. The only thing that seemed strange is that it cleared me down to 4500 vs 4000 inbound to PJM. Once I flew outbound and turned back in, there were no issues. I was told to contact ground after landing. I have had issues with Pilot2ATC directing the change to ground after landing. Every blue moon P2ATC will tell me to contact ground when off. I will fly out and into mountainous terrain on the next flight to see how it handles descents, vectoring and approaches in mountainous terrain. KASE, here I come!

Rick

So did it assign you a runway and approach on arrival, or you had programmed that into the flight plan?

Of course, even the default ATC can get you up and down on a fairly simple flight plan... the issue is usually with their altitude assignments, so it will definitely be very interesting to see how this performs in the mountains.  

Thanks for taking time to share... it's very helpful in determining where to spend money on an ATC add-on.