4 hours ago, flying_carpet said:

I read all the time that LR doesn't build what the customers want. WRONG! It builds exactly what the customers want - namely THEIR customers.

Then why putting out preview videos about improved graphics, when in the end, all that matters is just what they were already good at in XP11?

Compared to MSFS, there is no major area where XP did overtake MSFS where it wasn't already superior before. I think people expected 12 to at least come close to the graphical fidelity, not just improve some parts of it. Even those 3D trees look somehow XP11'ish. As long as you don't stand next to them, the MSFS ones look even better due to higher density (due to less performance impact). Or clouds...

Not talking about ground textures or street / river geometry.

Edited September 8, 20223 yr by tweekz

bad: stuttery weather changes

https://www.veed.io/view/8d0f42b2-6e56-4578-acbf-19e1a31065de

1 hour ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Where did I say that? Quote me? You can't because I never said that....

So … you don’t love/like MSFS? And you don’t like XP? Then, what do you like? What are you doing here, if you don’t like both of them? 😁

 

1 hour ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

In a capitalist society, money plays a pretty important role in success, otherwise Porsche wouldn't have had to start making Cayenne's would they? They could have continued on refining the 911 regardless if money didn't matter...

Porsche was successful already earlier, long before they started to build Cayenne's, Macan's, Boxster's etc.

 

1 hour ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Even you said it was about the money:-
"If Porsche built Golfs or Corollas, they were much more successful and would make much more money "

You misunderstood that/took it out of context – I meant that “people” are saying “If Porsche built Golfs or Corollas, they were much more successful and would make much more money”. Success is not automatically “earning as much money as possible”, but can also be (e.g.) “creating gourmet menus”, even if you don’t make much money with it. Like I said – my local gourmet restaurant is very successful, although it doesn’t sell as many meals and doesn’t earn as much money as McDonalds. Or would you say, it failed miserably? Good for you …

 

1 hour ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

And I know the Macan is a mass product, that was my EXACT POINT, Because Porsche listened to the masses and ADAPTED. So, I am not quite sure what your debate here is now?

My point is - you only need to read what I wrote already 😄:

2 hours ago, flying_carpet said:

Hmm … the Macan is a MASS product? * 😮 I see every day 50 of them on the streets 😅. As many as Golfs and Corollas.

* my houscleaner also drives one. All the cashiers at my local supermarket as well …only the laziest one, not. *

* BTW, the laziest one can afford only a very old car - a very old Porsche. A Porsche 356 ... 😅

 

1 hour ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Good for you, but we are not talking about MS/Asobo are we? We are in the XP12 forum and we are talking about XP12. If you have that issue with MS/Asobo, go over the correct forum and post that. 

I did that and expressed my dissatisfaction. Guess what happened … all participants there agreed with me 😅. No, of course not … but I can handle contradiction.

Edited September 8, 20223 yr by flying_carpet

I thought I could read about the new flight sim here. Instead I now know everything about a couple of car manufacturers. 

If I ever find out how to set a signature in this forum, I might make mine "Laminar Research Customer" 😉

On another note, the fact that people are taking the time and effort to comment here is proof they are interested in XP. Think about it. 

 

 

10 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

So … you don’t love/like MSFS? And you don’t like XP? Then, what do you like? What are you doing here, if you don’t like both of them?

I never said I loved or loathed either of them 💁‍♂️ I’m here because I like flight simulation. Why else? 

 

10 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

Porsche was successful already earlier, long before they started to build Cayenne's, Macan's, Boxster's etc.

No, they were not. If you know anything about the history of Porsche, you will know they were close to bankruptcy and closure until the Boxster saved them In the late 90’s, and the Cayenne secured their future.  

 

13 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

* BTW, the laziest one can afford only a very old car - a very old Porsche. A Porsche 356 ...

There is no such thing as an old Porsche, just a new owner. And you’re showing your ignorance with such ridiculous comments. An ‘old’ 356 is the same value as two/three brand new high spec golf’s that will keep depreciating, whereas the 356 will keep appreciating. Anything else? 

 

15 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

all participants there agreed with me 😅.

Did they? Doesn’t look that way…. I see a grand total of 0? 

18 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

There is no such thing as an old Porsche, just a new owner. And you’re showing your ignorance with such ridiculous comments. An ‘old’ 356 is the same value as two/three brand new high spec golf’s that will keep depreciating, whereas the 356 will keep appreciating. Anything else? 

Did they? Doesn’t look that way…. I see a grand total of 0? 

You understand satire/an unexpected twist in a story, do you? 😂
That's why I wrote ... please note the highlighted emoticons ...

35 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

* BTW, the laziest one can afford only a very old car - a very old Porsche. A Porsche 356 ... 😅

I did that and expressed my dissatisfaction. Guess what happened … all participants there agreed with me 😅.

BTW, there weren't only 0, but more. Maybe your browser is tricking you and showing only what you want to see 😅.

Re: "An ‘old’ 356 is the same value as two/three brand new high spec golf’s ..."? I would rather say 5 times, but we shouldn't discuss it in this forum, maybe we should change into a Porsche forum ...

Ok - now I'm out as it gets too spooky 🤷‍♂️💀

I am a Porsche owner and I feel offended by how this thread has turned into 

Just now, fogboundturtle said:

I am a Porsche owner and I feel offended by how this thread has turned into 

Let me see whether I still can edit all my posts with "Porsche" and change it to e.g. "Ferrari" ...😁

17 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

Ok - now I'm out as it gets too spooky 🤷‍♂️💀

That is what happens when you're a ghost arguing black is blue.....

If you have a VR headset that doesn't play nice with Steam VR, such as my HP Reverb G2, you might want to try the following .

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/272204-improve-x-plane-12-vr-performance-with-openxr/

This has completely tranformed my previously miserable VR experience. Brought to you by the same guy that brought us the Open XR toolkit. Took me a couple of attempts to get it right but it's a literal and figurative game changer.

Sometimes you have to enter/exit VR mode a couple of time to get the VR menu board in the hangar. No big deal.

 

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I wish LR and XP12 the best for the future. I used XPlane 11 and enjoyed flying. That was my poor days where I was only able to afford Toliss A319. But for me XP12 does not check all the boxes. Plus I can't stop thinking about where all 3rd party developers will put their time and effort to create products for flight simulation. Let's be honest no one flies the default aircraft and will eventually start looking for 3rd party. Even Orbx and Toliss announced their support I don't think XP12 will see a lot of 3rd party addons in short term. We might see a lot of scenery because that's where people fly in XP12 will spend their money first to make it look nicer. I'm skeptical about addon aircraft we might see quick ports over to XP12 from XP11 due to the base being the same but, new 3rd party aircraft is where I am not so sure.

I'm not going to argue whether the flight model and weather physics are more accurate in one sim than the other. I don't personally agree with that argument. A niche group of hardcore flight simmers might argue that one platform is a better simulated environment than the other. They might have a point and that point might fade over time with updates etc. It is really irrelevant for me personally I measure the experience with the joy and fun I get from flight simulation and it's delivered %100 for me by the rival platform. At the end of the day neither of these platforms are Level D simulators.

I really hope XP12 succeeds, however this is a consumer driven market to generate revenue. That market nowadays is %80 on MSFS platform with it's huge userbase. These developers are there to make money and regardless of which platform is the better they will route their attention to where money is and I hope this might not turn into a roadblock for LR and XP12.

17 minutes ago, the_simpilot said:

Plus I can't stop thinking about where all 3rd party developers will put their time and effort to create products for flight simulation. Let's be honest no one flies the default aircraft and will eventually start looking for 3rd party. Even Orbx and Toliss announced their support I don't think XP12 will see a lot of 3rd party addons in short term. We might see a lot of scenery because that's where people fly in XP12 will spend their money first to make it look nicer. I'm skeptical about addon aircraft we might see quick ports over to XP12 from XP11 due to the base being the same but, new 3rd party aircraft is where I am not so sure.

I really hope XP12 succeeds, however this is a consumer driven market to generate revenue. That market nowadays is %80 on MSFS platform with it's huge userbase. These developers are there to make money and regardless of which platform is the better they will route their attention to where money is and I hope this might not turn into a roadblock for LR and XP12.

Despite XP 12 being early access, when the Boeing FMC was released for the A330, this was a sign that perhaps the release was a bit rushed, especially because Austin/LR has always prided themselves on being "realistic" and releasing the Boeing FMC for the A330 is not very "realistic" at all (yeah, I know that a proper A330 MCDU is planned but still, it's not a good look for Austin/LR to do this).  However, you need to look at the XP 12 release from Austin's point of view.  I think Austin was very worried about 3rd party devs moving over to the competition.  I have a hunch, that the rushed release of XP 12 may be related to this, as a move to keep the 3rd party devs on XP's platform, especially after iniBuilds has switched to the competition this year.  This is just my guess, of course. I could be wrong, but it would explain why Austin would release XP 12 with a Boeing FMC for the A330, especially since Austin & XP have a very good reputation in the past of not releasing until everything is polished and ready (yes, I know this is an early access but even for an early access, it still appears to be a bit of a rushed release).

Edited September 8, 20223 yr by abrams_tank

1 minute ago, abrams_tank said:

Despite XP 12 being early access, when the Boeing FMC was released for the A330, this was a sign that perhaps the release was a bit rushed, especially because Austin/LR has always prided themselves on being "realistic" and releasing the Boeing FMC for the A330 is not very "realistic" at all (yeah, I know that a proper A330 MCDU is planned but still, it's not a good look for Austin/LR to do this).  However, you need to look at the XP 12 release from Austin's point of view.  I think Austin was very worried about 3rd party devs moving over to the competition.  I have a hunch, that the rushed release of XP 12 may be related to this, as a move to keep the 3rd party devs on XP's platform.  This is just my guess, of course. I could be wrong, but it would explain why Austin would release XP 12 with a Boeing FMC for the A330, especially since Austin & XP have a very good reputation of not releasing until everything is polished and ready (yes, I know this is an early access but even for an early access, it still appears to be a bit of a rushed release).

I think Xplane 3rd party are no longer selling their addons so maybe XP12 will bring a new revenue stream for them. XP12 is in a dire situation as I think they might just go commercial only in the future. The desktop market has shrunk so much.

Just now, fogboundturtle said:

I think Xplane 3rd party are no longer selling their addons so maybe XP12 will bring a new revenue stream for them. XP12 is in a dire situation as I think they might just go commercial only in the future. The desktop market has shrunk so much.

Yes, I agree.  XP 12 can bring a new revenue stream for them.  That's also why I think Austin released XP 12 a bit earlier.