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1 hour ago, sunny_in_the_sky said:

The point of the thread was to ask for suggestion on camera solutions, whereas you are just trolling because you want to defend a poorly designed camera. You are probably the type of person to also think that asbestos in housing is not a big deal, and would adapt to that as well, lol.

Not trolling, just difference of opinion.

Yeah because software and asbestos are the same.


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5 hours ago, garlicbread11 said:

Not trolling, just difference of opinion.

Different opinions are certainly allowed, but I struggle to get your point here. You said to him - "Guess you can’t learn it. Your loss, really. 🤷🏻‍♂️" and I ask myself if this type of interaction is really neccessary here.

I for myself, I learned the MSFS camera system and get around with it. Still, I think it's an inferior solution to what was (or still is) available in older simulators. I'd be happy if a software like Chaseplane returns. People who think otherwise can just continue using the current implementation of the built-in camera system and don't need to buy these kind of addons if they're happy with default, if Asobo ever decided to open up / implement this API.

You said you're surprised that people can fly complex airlines but have difficulties with the camera system. In my opinion, these are two different things and a better option for the camera system is just a question of convenience./ comfort and has nothing to do with piloting skills. IRL no pilot has to deal with a "camera", he just moves his head around. A camera system in a 3D software, needed in programs like MSFS is actually just another added difficulty layer people in real life never have to deal with.

Maybe you can compare it with having a dishwasher. I certainly don't need it to clean the dishes and can do it by hand. But I'm glad there's an option available for me to buy a dishwasher to make my life easier. And people who think a dishwasher is unneccessary just don't buy one and save the money. But they're not affected by the existence of dishwashers.

Reading arguments like "I'm fine with the original camera system, it's your problem if you're not" is like demanding to stop producing dish washers (or the possibility of developing one in the first place). Basically for me it reads like you invalidate his opinion because you personally don't encounter / see / need it. Maybe this wasn't your intention and I just got it wrong.

Like I said, I see valid reasons for a custom camera solution to exist and explained it in another post. If you don't feel like you need 3rd party solution, don't use it. Of course all this talk is just hypothetical if Asobo never opens up the API.

 

6 hours ago, Lorby_SI said:

The legacy 6DOF camera position and control methods in SimConnect have not only been non-functional since the Alpha, they have been removed from the SDK documentation a few MSFS versions ago.

Thanks for your insights Lorby (love your tools), I guess we will have to wait a little bit longer to see a return of this functionality. If it ever returns..

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Definitely missing this capability and it's one item holding me back from MSFS.  I just can't wrap my head around the default camera system.


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On 9/23/2022 at 2:50 AM, Ricardo41 said:

I don't find the MSFS camera system  hacky at all. It's dead simple, once you understand a few basics. Moving from internal to external view is also easy.

The drone camera is also very powerful, but a bit more complicated - best to print out a cheat sheet with the relevant keyboard shortcuts.

I agree Ricardo.  The only thing missing for me is a canned simple flyby and tower view--I really miss those!

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8 hours ago, CaptKornDog said:

I just can't wrap my head around the default camera system.

What are you unable to easily do with it?  I find it's really simple once you understand the simple steps to capture and load various views, assigned to keys or buttons.  It's really quite excellent in its own right and gets most of the jobs done just fine so I don't get these kinds of comments.

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On 9/22/2022 at 10:57 PM, sunny_in_the_sky said:

I see all the beautiful screenshots of MSFS, and would like to switch over from P3D, but their cameras are just so hacky. For example, there doesn't seem to be a clear way to toggle between cockpit and external cameras. Others have also had the same confusion. The following shortcut does not work:

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What is everyone using as a camera solution? I thought Chaseplane did an amazing job with P3D, and cannot wait for their MSFS version.

You can set keys to switch to external, to drone, and to cockpit camera. No problem. The program remembers the current settings of the external and drone camera. The drone is by default attached to the plane and moves with it. It can also be made to look to a target.


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Another great feature from Chaseplane I really miss:

Custom Static Views, where you can save multiple views per airport. Set it up once, load / switch to it as you like easily. Basically like multiple Drone Camera Presets and for every airfield you like. There's nothing remotely comparable available in MSFS right now. Yes, I know how to handle the drone camera, I even bought an Xbox controller for it to make life easier (being more expensive than Chaseplane, but money aside, I had to wait months to get one in my country because the controllers were affected by shortages during COVID), still not better.

I don't have the time to fly as much as in my past, but if I do, 80% of todays flights are in MSFS. But if occiasionally do a flight in P3D (because I want to fly heavy aircraft like the 747 or 777), I quickly realize how much is still missing from the MSFS camera system.

For me, it doesn't matter really matter if these functions are built-in or available with an external software. But they're not available in the base simulator and the API still doesn't allow 3rd parties to come up with an own (optional) solution.

People who used tools like Chaseplane only to set up a few cockpit views and bound it to the NumPad may not see a problem, and that's fine. But please stop "gatekeeping" people who prefer to have options by saying "I don't need it, so you won't need it too".

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It seems that most simmers that like the camera system in MSFS are new to a flightsim.  Simmers that that come from P3D like and miss Chaseplane

If you never used Chaseplane you don't know the simplicity and the easy logic of it.  Compare that to the mind wrenching logic of ASOBO.  I got use to the camera system in MSFS and I got it working for me the way I want it, but when Chaseplane comes out I will buy it as fast as I bought PMDG's 737.

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1 hour ago, roesti said:

Another great feature from Chaseplane I really miss:

Custom Static Views, where you can save multiple views per airport. Set it up once, load / switch to it as you like easily. Basically like multiple Drone Camera Presets and for every airfield you like. There's nothing remotely comparable available in MSFS right now. Yes, I know how to handle the drone camera, I even bought an Xbox controller for it to make life easier (being more expensive than Chaseplane, but money aside, I had to wait months to get one in my country because the controllers were affected by shortages during COVID), still not better.

I don't have the time to fly as much as in my past, but if I do, 80% of todays flights are in MSFS. But if occiasionally do a flight in P3D (because I want to fly heavy aircraft like the 747 or 777), I quickly realize how much is still missing from the MSFS camera system.

For me, it doesn't matter really matter if these functions are built-in or available with an external software. But they're not available in the base simulator and the API still doesn't allow 3rd parties to come up with an own (optional) solution.

People who used tools like Chaseplane only to set up a few cockpit views and bound it to the NumPad may not see a problem, and that's fine. But please stop "gatekeeping" people who prefer to have options by saying "I don't need it, so you won't need it too".

Too bad they never implemented the field cameras in v5 of P3D. 

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19 minutes ago, Iadbound said:

Too bad they never implemented the field cameras in v5 of P3D. 

They still work in v5. The only thing that doesn't work is the automatic scan like in P3Dv4, where it detects the airport and creates multiple views automatically. But I still can create them by hand, set the "availability radius" for example to 5nm once and I will have my views available everytime I load into that specific airport. Another method: If you had your views already set up in v4 and have those profiles, you can copy them over.

I agree it was super conveniant with the automatic view creation, but I can live without it, since I adjust the views manually anyway afterwards. If there will ever be a MSFS CP, maybe they reintroduce this feature but I'd be still happy to "just" have the manual way available.

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2 hours ago, Gnacino said:

It seems that most simmers that like the camera system in MSFS are new to a flightsim.  Simmers that that come from P3D like and miss Chaseplane

If you never used Chaseplane you don't know the simplicity and the easy logic of it.  Compare that to the mind wrenching logic of ASOBO.  I got use to the camera system in MSFS and I got it working for me the way I want it, but when Chaseplane comes out I will buy it as fast as I bought PMDG's 737.

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3 hours ago, Gnacino said:

It seems that most simmers that like the camera system in MSFS are new to a flightsim. 

Nope, I have been simming since FS9 and I used CB A LOT in P3D, though it is simple I agree, I just can’t justify to use it in MSFS after 2 years of using the default camera system. Maybe is a habit now of shortcuts.

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I'm the same am struggling with camera in MSFS, and would prefer to have Chasplane. I've watched numerous videos on Camera setup within MSFS and still can't get my head around it. 

I currently use Chaseplane with P3D as it's so much easier to setup the camera views both inside the Cockpit and outside views.

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The only thing I miss from the old P3D/FSX camera system is the fly-by mode. Now that I am also using XP12, I am really disappointed that such a simple functionality is still not available in MSFS. 


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