Really depends on what you're doing. Long slow cruises where I'm not doing much, 30fps is ok, though I do find myself getting a bit of a headache after longer flights. 

For things requiring a lot of scanning, I find I really prefer 60fps, otherwise I can see a lot of ghosting. 

For dogfights and probably acrobatics, I've come to the conclusion that 90-120 is probably necessary to clean up double images. That said, I doubt many people are doing either in MSFS. 

For me because of the fluidity perception, that good sensation of having enough hardware, maybe is a very kinesthetic feeling of joy, relax, peace of mind, etc.

30 minutes ago, Roy Warren said:

To me checking frame rates is like checking blood pressure.  I never check either unless I've got a problem.

Roy

I recommend checking your BP a bit more often than that. 120/80 feels pretty much the same as 200/160, and you probably want to catch that before you have a problem. 

Just saying... 

How would one "measure" a "smooth experience" without monitoring FPS and more importantly Frametime?  

Because it matters if the fps is 22 on final approach into EGLL in the Fenix. And it's a common terminology to compare things between simmers than "hey my sim is smooth" or "my sim isn't smooth". I fly most of the time with any fps counters off as I think it's a distraction. But when I'm having stutters or tuning the graphics settings, fps is useful. 

But yeah, the most important thing for me is how smooth the sim runs, not how high fps I can get. 

Oh, a good example is DX12 which for me doesn't lead to higher fps but a more smooth, fluid experience 😉 So there you go. 

Edited September 26, 20223 yr by Cpt_Piett

FPS monitoring is pointless when using VSYNC so I prefer not to use it.  The result is the best FPS my system can achieve for any given configuation / situation.

After that I can choose to enable VSYNC which is usually 60 FPS.

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36 minutes ago, Bnash00 said:

How would one "measure" a "smooth experience" without monitoring FPS and more importantly Frametime?  

If you’re wearing a TrackIR headset, you can just feel it. 

Cpt_Piett, I couldn't agree more with ur thougths,

Secondly I don't look at the sim as a GAME, this is a flight simulator, not a racing car, or one person shooter, the whole key to the sim, is to have a smooth enjoyable experience.  For example, I might get 22 frames at KJFK, or KATL, busiest airport in the world, sitting at the runway, or on final, but the bottom line is I want it to be as smooth as possible, I could care less if its 60 or 90 frames. thats ur own personal bragging rights. UH UH!!

1 hour ago, Bnash00 said:

How would one "measure" a "smooth experience" without monitoring FPS and more importantly Frametime?  

If you go to a movie, does it look smooth without knowing the FPS?

Has any team of physicists ever attempted to measure the FPS of reality itself? This is actually a profound question. There is a limitation even of the speed of light. So the photons of light striking our eyes couldn't possibly produce an infinite FPS. What is the FPS of reality? 

1 hour ago, odourboy said:

Brokers talk about stocks, anglers about fish, bankers about money, simmers about frame rates. It is the way.

This is the way.

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19 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

If you go to a movie, does it look smooth without knowing the FPS?

Nope, but that is because the motion resolution is awful on most projectors and most TV's without frame interpolation. It looks like a big blurry mess, but most movies are 24fps so it is what it is...

Luckily, in a Flight Sim there is a limited amount of movement to cause blurring, unless flying very very fast.

Edited September 26, 20223 yr by Alpine Scenery

1 minute ago, Alpine Scenery said:

but most movies are 24fps so it is what it is...

And if I'm not mistaken, the reason that movie film was originally designed to run at 24fps was that 24fps was the lowest fps that could be perceived as continuous motion by an audience. They wanted to use the lowest acceptable fps to save money on film.

I just recently finished a trip around the world without knowing what my frame rates were.  Go figure

Roy

2 minutes ago, Roy Warren said:

I just recently finished a trip around the world without knowing what my frame rates were.  Go figure

Roy

I've found myself much happier since I through away my bathroom scale. Sometimes ignorance really is bliss.