10 hours ago, yanfeng12342000 said:

I like the trees of Bijan more than Accuseason, but I am worried it seems to have stopped development.

Myself I use Bijan too and imho it is good as it is.

When REX has added the custom Bijan features listed below I might switch to REX.

1. Spring flower blossoms in all cities.
2. Flower fields in many parts of the world, UK, Africa, Asia, Europe, USA
3. More vareity of trees and colors in each season.
4. Gradual transition of trees in different elevations.
5. Customized trees in upper UK and Scottland areas - Removed/reduced all vegetation from higher elevations.
6. Photogrammetry trees removal from cities (ongoing project)
7. Terrain Mask
8. Snow mask so roads and runways can be cleared of snow in winter.  
9. Multi ecosystem in the same area which is only doable with SDK, resulting in a variety of trees in the same area and creating lush forests, smooth transition.
10. 60 fall color sets with much more variety of colors instead of 3 preset ones.
11. Live correction of fall tree colors by using live cam available in several countries.
12. 3d leafless winter trees in several cities
13. 3d Joshua trees in Joshua National Park
14. 3d Pinus Sylvestris trees
15. 3d Blood Dragon trees
16. 3d Plumeria trees in Honolulu, Hawaii
17. 3d Rhododendron trees
18. 3d baobab trees
19. 3d bamboo trees
20. 3d banana trees
21. Florida Mangrove trees
22. Black Forest in Germany
23. Black Forest in Colorado
24. Custom fall trees in the Rocky Mountains.
25. Customized fall season in Florida to remove fall colored trees. 
26. Famous Hills in China by Li River
27. Rocky cliff islands and in China
28. Manually corrected vegetation in 1000's regions which cannot be fixed by only using biomes. 
29. Cleared trees in 100's of runways.
30. Accepting changes by user's request.
31. Adding exclusions to work with 3rd party airports.
32. Instant support and frequent updates

 

Edited October 6, 20223 yr by GSalden

1 hour ago, GSalden said:

frequent updates

Can't agree with that one. Been a long wait since February's update and there are a lot of features that remain 'experimental'.
While I understand Bijan has had to take time away for personal reasons, there's always the risk that a SU or WU can create incompatability problems and render his product unusable.

Don't get me wrong, Bijan's 4 season pack is still my favourite season and vegetation add-on for all the other points in that list.
 

Edited October 6, 20223 yr by F737MAX

26 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

Can't agree with that one. Been a long wait since February's update and there are a lot of features that remain 'experimental'.
While I understand Bijan has had to take time away for personal reasons, there's always the risk that a SU or WU can create incompatability problems and render his product unusable.

Don't get me wrong, Bijan's 4 season pack is still my favourite season and vegetation add-on for all the other points in that list.
 

That’s what he did for many months. Sometimes 3-4 updates each month.

At some point the base is good and updates after that are minimal.

The sane for REX of coarse.

 

 

How is the Bijan mod abandoned?

Just because he hasn't put out any updates in a while?

Have any of you even bothered to contact Bijan and ask, before spewing out all the "abandoned" babble?

You refuse to use Discord and see WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON WITH THE BIJAN MOD but are quick to call it abandoned?

Make it make sense Avsim...

 

18 minutes ago, blueshark747 said:

How is the Bijan mod abandoned?

Just because he hasn't put out any updates in a while?

Have any of you even bothered to contact Bijan and ask, before spewing out all the "abandoned" babble?

You refuse to use Discord and see WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON WITH THE BIJAN MOD but are quick to call it abandoned?

Make it make sense Avsim...

 

I'm on his Discord. There's nothing going on.

 

7 hours ago, GSalden said:

When REX has added the custom Bijan features listed below I might switch to REX.

Hi GSalden. Thanks for your list and the opportunity to respond. REX AccuSeason contains the majority of these items you list below, and in many cases, gives the customer a different or better experience. There are some items AccuSeason does not have, and I have included our rationale as to why. To add, there are a number of extremely important features that are exclusive to AccuSeason such as SU10 Optimization, Weekly Dynamic Seasons that are automated, and more, which I have included below your list.

1. Spring flower blossoms in all cities.
   • AccuSeason released spring flower blossoms last Spring. In fact, spring has a weekly transition from Winter and includes floral vegetation. Also includes different floral vegetation in Japan. Reference the Spring video below to see this in action.
2. Flower fields in many parts of the world, UK, Africa, Asia, Europe, USA
   • Compared to the large number of enhancements and updates in AccuSeason this year, this has been a lower priority enhancement but will be considered after the next release along with other enhancements on the backlog.
3. More variety of trees and colors in each season.

AccuSeason has a huge amount of variety regionally and globally, which is expressed in the manner of a living world through Automated Dynamic Seasons. In face, Automated Dynamic Seasons, which gives 52 weeks of vegetation that changes weekly throughout the year offers significantly more variety of trees and colors in each season than 2 presets per season (8 presets in total). 

For additional context about variety, AccuSeason has changed most of the default biomes around the world, (a biome in the MSFS codebase refers to a collection of vegetation type, quantity, and mix) and created many new biomes to better reflect what is seen in nature. This means what you see as biomes in default MSFS has been redone in AccuSeason to be more true-to-life.

In addition to this customization, customers can further customize their experience through vegetation options such as color tone, tree size, and deciduous canopy type, with more options to come. With these modifications, more natural-looking vegetation is available in your sim. This large amount of modification and customization results in an enormous variety of trees and coloring, which is expressed in AccuSeason in two ways.

First, and most importantly, this is expressed through weekly color transitions throughout the seasons and throughout the year (all 52 weeks have now been completed, which was a massive undertaking). To increase the variety, the weekly color transition does not all begin at the same time in a given season, rather, the color changes start at different times for different areas.

For autumn, this means colder and higher latitude regions start the color changes earlier than warmer and/or lower latitude areas. As an example, during autumn the northern part of New England in the United States begins color changes earlier than regions directly below it, and those areas start earlier than other areas that are located to the south or are warmer.

To increase variety even more, autumn coloring in Europe is different than coloring in North America and Asia as it is in the real world. Additionally, autumn coloring is different among different regions in North America and Asia so that aspect also increases variety.

From winter to spring and through summer, the same staggered of seasonal transition start dates takes place in reverse. Furthermore, this weekly transition occurs on a global level so areas in the southern hemisphere where seasonal color changes occur, happen there too and obviously opposite of the season in the northern hemisphere.

The second way the large variety of trees and coloring is expressed is through our large number of presets. Presets allow the customer to choose specific coloring to apply if he/she does not use the automated dynamic seasons mode that changes vegetation weekly in the application. AccuSeason has a large collection of 25 presets including 12 for autumn, 4 for winter, 5 for spring, and 4 for summer. Therefore, instead of just 2 presets per season, AccuSeason offers many more, plus it offers the weekly automation mode.

Please reference both videos below to see weekly color transition in action.

4. Gradual transition of trees in different elevations.
   •  @GSalden Please share more details and where this is applied. I personally have not seen any information about this. Thanks.
5. Customized trees in upper UK and Scotland areas - Removed/reduced all vegetation from higher elevations.
   • Vegetation in upper UK and Scotland was already modified when AccuSeason released last year and reflects a more natural landscape. Furthermore, completely new and customized vegetation, meaning new biomes as described above in item 3, exist in Australia, New Zealand, Tundra regions, desert and steppe regions, many tropical areas, and most areas that contain conifer trees including many, many mountainous areas.
6. Photogrammetry trees removal from cities (ongoing project)
   • Bijan has done a good job with this, however, not sure if this has been ongoing project for some time, but kudos for the results. Photogrammetry tree removal is an interesting item and is something for REX to look at for possible future consideration.
7. Terrain Mask
   • Terrain Coloring is coming to AccuSeason very soon and will include a more advanced and robust feature set. Some information has already been shared and stay tuned for more.
8. Snow mask so roads and runways can be cleared of snow in winter.  
   • More information coming soon.
9. Multi ecosystem in the same area which is only doable with SDK, resulting in a variety of trees in the same area and creating lush forests, smooth transition.
   • AccuSeason does have multiple EcoRegions within EcoRegions in places and that number is growing.
10. 60 fall color sets with much more variety of colors instead of 3 preset ones.
    • The “instead of 3 preset ones” statement seems misleading and incorrect. @GSalden, please explain what this means.
    • Within AccuSeason, I count 107 Autumn color sets and 141 year around color sets and that does not count city color sets separately. Also, this is just the count for Automated Dynamic Seasons. 
11. Live correction of fall tree colors by using live cam available in several countries.
    • I believe this is not happening currently for Bijan’s product unfortunately due to his unavailability.
    • AccuSeason has weekly color changes not only for autumn, but during all 52 weeks on a global level. Additionally, a user can adjust the current week to anytime during the season or the year, giving the user ultimate control, or to apply a seasonal preset.
12. 3d leafless winter trees in several cities
    • In our research, we have found that 3d trees which are typically used for scenery projects like airports can, at times, cause performance issues if implemented over areas much larger areas than scenery projects like airports. Second, many areas with 3d trees are extremely limited in size and even though they are nice to look at closely, you kind of have to really fly low and slow to look for these areas and experience them. Third, like mentioned before, one of the main features and the cornerstone of AccuSeason is weekly vegetation coloring changes throughout seasons, and 3d trees that don’t change colors do not play well in this space.
    • Regarding winter trees, AccuSeason utilizes autogen trees contained in the MSFS codebase to display trees that look dormant. The benefit to the customer is no negative performance impact and dormant-looking winter trees are available everywhere that would be applicable as they are procedurally generated and not dependent on hand placement resulting in them displaying in extremely limited areas.
13. 3d Joshua trees in Joshua National Park
    • Reference inherent performance and other issues with 3d trees in item 12.
14. 3d Pinus Sylvestris trees
    • Reference inherent performance and other issues with 3d trees in item 12.
15. 3d Blood Dragon trees
    • Reference inherent performance and other issues with 3d trees in item 12.
16. 3d Plumeria trees in Honolulu, Hawaii
    • Reference inherent performance and other issues with 3d trees in item 12.
17. 3d Rhododendron trees
    • Reference inherent performance and other issues with 3d trees in item 12.
18. 3d baobab trees
    • Reference inherent performance and other issues with 3d trees in item 12.
19. 3d bamboo trees
    • Reference inherent performance and other issues with 3d trees in item 12.
20. 3d banana trees
    • Reference inherent performance and other issues with 3d trees in item 12.
21. Florida Mangrove trees
    • Reference inherent performance and other issues with 3d trees in item 12.
22. Black Forest in Germany
    • There are a number of customized areas that were unfortunately paused due to the fact that REX needed to resolve the performance drop resulting from the SU10 beta and release. We feel it was absolutely a worthwhile investment of our time (seven full weeks) to optimize SU10 performance for our customers and now we can get these customized areas back on track.
23. Black Forest in Colorado
    • Reference comment in item 22.
24. Custom fall trees in the Rocky Mountains.
    • Reference comment in item 22.
25. Customized fall season in Florida to remove fall colored trees. 
    • AccuSeason released an enhancement early this year that addresses not only Florida, but the entirety of the Gulf Coast region.
26. Famous Hills in China by Li River
    • AccuSeason does not have this.
27. Rocky cliff islands and in China
    • AccuSeason does not have this.
28. Manually corrected vegetation in 1000's regions which cannot be fixed by only using biomes. 
    • As stated above, AccuSeason has had this from the beginning as vegetation has been modified in terms of vegetation mix and coloring all over the world to look more natural.
29. Cleared trees in 100's of runways.
    • Trees have been cleared in several airports. Looking at starting an effort after our next update to do this per customer request.
30. Accepting changes by user's request.
    • Requests have come in from our user base and we review and prioritize those items that are feasible and have merit. This has been the case since release up to current time.
31. Adding exclusions to work with 3rd party airports.
    • When things are reported by customers, we work with the 3^rd party studio to determine a solution and resolve the issue. This has been done several times.
32. Instant support and frequent updates
    • REX has operated and continues to operate a professional and fully staffed Customer Support operation which utilizes a modern and convenient request ticketing system. Updates occur frequently for AccuSeason, every month or so, and often are done behind the scenes, which do not require customer interaction with downloading and applying updates such as the recent SU10 Optimization update.

 

Different products have different strengths and priorities. REX AccuSeason’s strengths and priorities are placed with natural-looking and beautiful visuals, the ability for a user to “Set It and Forget It” so he/she sees weekly foliage transition worldwide from an excellent and modern application that is in robust and active development, a huge amount of choice for the customer in terms of vegetation options (tree size, color tone, canopy type, etc.), and exceptional customer support.

Below is a list of items that are exclusive to AccuSeason:

1.     SU10 Optimization – A significant seven-week investment to give current and future customers the best FPS available in this product space.

2.     52 weeks of Automated Dynamic Seasons giving you a living world of automated weekly seasonal color changes of AccuSeason’s customized vegetation. The Set It and Forget It aspect is a HUGE benefit for our customers and provides a vast amount of variety and content.

3.     Upcoming Terrain Coloring that will be automated and work in line with automated vegetation coloring or can be user selected, plus more features to discuss soon.

4.     A larger number of seasonal presets including 12 Autumn, 4 Winter, 5 Spring, and 4 Summer presets.

5.   A modern application that is professionally developed and maintained

6.     A company with over 15 solid years of operation in the flight simulation space.

7.     Three options for you to select tree size: Short, Default, and Tall.

8.     Three options for you to select vegetation color tones: Warm, Neutral, and Cool.

9.     Two options for you to select deciduous tree canopy type: Rounded or Irregular.

10.  Winter deciduous trees based on framerate friendly autogenerated vegetation that displays in all applicable areas and is not limited to hand placed locations.

11.  A User Manual.

12.  Frequent automatic and behind the scenes updates that do not require user involvement and downloading.

13.  All vegetation configuration options, weekly automated changes, etc. are done within the application with no need to manually change anything in any files or manipulate folders in Windows Explorer.

14.  An application that installs and uninstalls cleanly.

15.  Professional, fully staffed, and operating Customer Support team utilizing a request ticketing system for customer access, convenience, and tracking.

16.  Ability to purchase AccuSeason at several top flightsim software vendor sites.

17.  Ability to bundle AccuSeason with other top quality REX products for price discounts.

18.  Product Website

 

 

 

I haven't used Bijan since purchasing Accuseason so I can't speak to the updates from the last 6 or so months however I would say that in my estimation Bijan is in many ways a boutique and perhaps more artistically developed product at least in regards to niche details that improve the feeling of 'life' in the areas listed above.  Accuseason is quite a streamlined easy to use product with (at least in the overall world) equivalent enhancements in making the world feel alive and changing on a daily basis with no need for user interaction.  From the listed improvements in the works Accuseason (for me) is a better option that I don't have to think about but I miss badly when it isn't present (between reinstallation recently).  Performance in SU10 is definitely improved as well over the days of the early beta.  Personal choice of course and definitely Bijan started it all and continues to supply perhaps a higher level of fidelity ahead of where Accuseason is at any given time but it does catch up as you can see watching their demonstrations.  Both are great products, Accuseason allows one to just not think about it, ever, it just is.  

I would very much enjoy being a beta tester however they appear to be full at present (hint, hint). 🙂

 

The trees right now in Montgomery, N, KMGJ closely match Rex trees.  Bijan's trees are fixed colors for the fall and do not have the gradual realistic transition.  I am however partial to just  the Hudson Valley of NY.  

2 hours ago, 69Yanks said:

The trees right now in Montgomery, N, KMGJ closely match Rex trees.

That is great to hear that you are enjoying the product!

@MikeT707 My guy. I don't kiss a lot of.. You know the word I mean..

The fact this isn't even an official support channel and the time and effort you put in to explain and provide support for your products is professionalism not seen often. You don't defend it, you never come across offended, angry, or passive aggressive. You just do your job and explain the product, and at times where the product is going.

Whatever you're making isn't enough. Developers like yourself don't come often. You're doing it right and the entire REX family should be proud of the work you put in, and the way you conduct yourself on a platform by all intentions you have no obligation to provide any support, answers, or updates. Good on you.

Edited October 7, 20223 yr by styckx

I've got to say, I'm impressed with REX in this forum taking the time to answer questions and write what they have written. I've been a long time user of Bijan (even longer user of REX from the FS2004 days), and from the videos I've seen comparing the two products, decided to stick with Bijan. However.... after seeing REX being so responsive and continuously listen to customer feedback and suggestions, I'm going to head over and pick me up a copy of Accuseason to see what this is all about. And mostly to support a great Dev who seems to actually listen to customers and provide constant improvements and features! Thank you!!

Edited October 7, 20223 yr by Hatch76

7 minutes ago, Hatch76 said:

I've got to say, I'm impressed with REX in this forum taking the time to answer questions and write what they have written. I've been a long time user of Bijan (even longer user of REX from the FS2004 days), and from the videos I've seen comparing the two products, decided to stick with Bijan. However.... after seeing REX being so responsive and continuously listen to customer feedback and suggestions, I'm going to head over and pick me up a copy of Accuseason to see what this is all about. And mostly to support a great Dev who seems to actually listen to customers and provide constant improvements and features! Thank you!!

I'm curious what you think of AccuSeason. I've never used Bijan at all. It seemed to me like one of the 1000's of addons flooding the market to gain quick attention and then like so many of the early addon adopters. *crickets*. I've seen is before too many times hence I never used it.

1 minute ago, styckx said:

I'm curious what you think of AccuSeason. I've never used Bijan at all. It seemed to me like one of the 1000's of addons flooding the market to gain quick attention and then like so many of the early addon adopters. *crickets*. I've seen is before too many times hence I never used it.

I'll report back after I get the chance to really play with it. To be honest, I'm not one to usually notice a lot of minor changes between products. I'm definitely looking forward to the automation of it, and the tree size customization. 

Although Bijan did appear on Discord a couple of months back to say he’s getting back to work on MSFS development, we haven’t seen any updates and it’s getting more difficult to recommend his product against Rex, who have been continually updating theirs.

Having said that, the really interesting comparison will be when Asobo put seasons in as default (if you can wait that long).

I think it boils down to one thing.

One click.

One install.

And get this. And Ever changing. No fuss. No muss, and active support.