I am trying to use the Honda Jet plus Pilot2ATC (P2A) and I am running into some issues. When I make a flight plan in P2A the Auto Plan feature assigns the STAR, SID and Approach, which looks good. Then I try to create the same flight plan in the HondaJet. I don't see the same names listed for the procedures, so I am thinking the database between the two isn't synced up. Do I need something like Navigraph or can I try using SimBrief for both? 

I am just looking for an easy way to get the sim and ATC to see the exact same flight plan. 

Thanks guys!

The database supplied with P2A is quite old, so won't match up with the database in the sim.

Life is much easier with Navigraph tbh (until you find an airport where the main runway has been replaced, but MSFS isn't up to date !! - HESN is a good example .. but that isn't Navigraph's fault)...

 

G

 

Edit: It's even better with Chart access as well...

 

Edited December 13, 20223 yr by Gazzareth

Thanks. So would Navigraph fix this issue?

4 minutes ago, RobJC said:

Thanks. So would Navigraph fix this issue?

Yes, it would fix this issue as it will coordinate all your installed flightsims and associated apps to one common, complete and current data set.

However, you can also easily set up your flight plan in the sim (or on the gauge in the sim) and then simply reproduce that in P2ATC manually.  Granted, some names may be different, but the location should generally be correct.  

Keep in mind you can purchase the current Navigraph data set as a one-time purchase that is current for this cycle (vs annual subscription).  I know a lot of folks do that just once a year or to get everything common

4 minutes ago, Mike S KPDX said:

Yes, it would fix this issue as it will coordinate all your installed flightsims and associated apps to one common, complete and current data set.

However, you can also easily set up your flight plan in the sim (or on the gauge in the sim) and then simply reproduce that in P2ATC manually.  Granted, some names may be different, but the location should generally be correct.  

Keep in mind you can purchase the current Navigraph data set as a one-time purchase that is current for this cycle (vs annual subscription).  I know a lot of folks do that just once a year or to get everything common

Perfect. Thanks! 

I want to warn you about a known issue. Its kind of rare and very specific. Airports that have recent runway identifier changes break aircraft like the HJet and iniBuilds A310. For example, at KRNO (Reno NV) the runway identifiers were recently changed from 16L/R to 17L/R. Navigraph is aware of this change and their data reflects this change. Microsoft/Asobo have not updated the runway identifiers in the scenery. When you load up KRNO the runways are still listed as 16L/R. Because the Navigraph data doesn't match the sim scenery data you don't see any SIDs or STARS when entering your flight plan. This issue does not effect aircraft that have their own sperate nav data like the PMDG 737 or Fenix A320. Only aircraft that lean on the sim base data. Basically anything Working Title, the HJet, and the iniBuilds A310, and this only happens at airports that are not 100% perfectly up to date as far as the sim navdata is concerned. KRNO is an example. I'm sure there are more. I would expect the more time that passes more and more airports will break. Here is a link to the Navigraph forum where I asked about this problem: https://forum.navigraph.com/t/krno-sid-star-problem/10020

To get around this problem you just have to uninstall the navigraph simulation base data and use the default nav data from Microsoft\Asobo. Aircraft that use their own Navigraph nav data that you install into the aircraft are not affected.

I bring this up because you mentioned the HJet and just wanted you to be aware of this issue.    

Other than this issue, a Navigraph subscription is totally worth every penny.  

wouldn't fly without Navigraph , core addon in my opinion 

also the new version is taking a little a time to get used too 

Edited December 13, 20223 yr by sonny147
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Navigraph is a must have in my view.  The nav data is great for the reasons outlined above and I never fly without using the charts app.

Used it from day one, and could'nt do without it now.

Thanks guys. 

6 hours ago, Mike S KPDX said:

Keep in mind you can purchase the current Navigraph data set as a one-time purchase that is current for this cycle (vs annual subscription).  I know a lot of folks do that just once a year or to get everything common

I understood this purchase option has been scrapped ....... can't see it on the webpage.

16 hours ago, vadriver said:

I understood this purchase option has been scrapped ....... can't see it on the webpage.

You can start a monthly subscription and then stop it immediately after doing so: the subscription will stop automatically after a month. You can do this as often (or not) as you want. This equals the one time purchase option. As long as you have the AIRAC installed it will remain the active one, even without a subscription. You only can't uninstall it or change something using the Navigraph app if you don't have a subscription. (Although you can still uninstall it manually.)

Edited December 14, 20223 yr by tup61

I let someone talk me into Navigraph a while back (the full version) since I was having trouble finding South American charts.  I was reluctant because of the price.  Now I don't know what I ever did without them.  With the pop-up in the plane, and the ability to bookmark the charts you want for your trip - it's a no-brainer.

Simbrief is a must as well in my opinion.  Especially if you want real(ish) flight planning.  The two will sync with one another.

I’m on the fence about a subscription as IFR is a minority of my flights, and it’s a very avoidable expense. Having said that, I can easily imagine doing a lot more IFR if I’m properly geared up with full charts in one place rather than having to scour the web for what’s available for free.

 

On 12/14/2022 at 12:08 PM, tup61 said:

You can start a monthly subscription and then stop it immediately after doing so: the subscription will stop automatically after a month. You can do this as often (or not) as you want. This equals the one time purchase option. As long as you have the AIRAC installed it will remain the active one, even without a subscription. You only can't uninstall it or change something using the Navigraph app if you don't have a subscription. (Although you can still uninstall it manually.)

If I purchase a yearly subscription and cancel it after a few months, I assume they will refund the cost of the "unused" months (although perhaps charging you at the slightly higher monthly rate for the used months, which would be fair).  Correct?

With Navigraph, can I simply download an approach, STAR or SID chart (a pdf I would guess) and put it on a second monitor for reference like I can so with a FAA chart accessed through SkyVector?

If I cancel a Navigraph subscription, I understand the last AIRAC download I have will still be available to apps like Little Navmap, but I assume using a Navigraph chart with the G3000, like with the HJet, no longer works since I expect that uses an internet connection back to Navigraph. In other words, access to and display of individual charts in the last purchased AIRAC is no longer possible.

Thanks for any clarification on this,

Al