I really like the idea of pairing the Black Square mod with the Carenado Baron.

If we are talking future Carenado jobs with Black Square, I would love to see stuff like the Apache (I loved that in FSX), The Navajo, and the C414.
I wonder if Black Square and Carenado really would be open to a bit of collaboration?  I would love it.

I'd love any Cessna with a little more grunt than a 172. The WBSim 172 is fantastic for now but I'm itching for a high fidelity 210 or even a 182.

1 hour ago, vrdubin6 said:

I'd love any Cessna with a little more grunt than a 172. The WBSim 172 is fantastic for now but I'm itching for a high fidelity 210 or even a 182.

I'm hoping A2A decide to bring their C182 over at some point

6 hours ago, vrdubin6 said:

I'd love any Cessna with a little more grunt than a 172. The WBSim 172 is fantastic for now but I'm itching for a high fidelity 210 or even a 182.

The WBSim C172 doesn't seem to get the praise it deserves. Add the Boris sounds and this is a package second to none. It takes me back 40 years 😁

While it’s just water cooler chat right now, having Black Square work on existing Carenado birds (with their approval) would result in an expensive addon. First, the 30-ish dollars/euros given to Carenado. Then the Black Square upgrade cost. By working on default models, most pilots already have the aircraft. (Depending on the MSFS version). That’s a wider audience for BL SQ and doesn’t result in a $60 GA addon. 

28 minutes ago, Danno said:

While it’s just water cooler chat right now, having Black Square work on existing Carenado birds (with their approval) would result in an expensive addon. First, the 30-ish dollars/euros given to Carenado. Then the Black Square upgrade cost. By working on default models, most pilots already have the aircraft. (Depending on the MSFS version). That’s a wider audience for BL SQ and doesn’t result in a $60 GA addon. 

But it wouldn't work like that would it. It would be the original price at most and they would sell literally thousands of them. 

2 minutes ago, St Mawgan said:

But it wouldn't work like that would it.

I think it might have to actually, because they (Carenado) have clearly demonstrated over the decades, despite the pleas from the hardcore fan base requesting deeper systems modeling, that they prefer a business model which caters to a more casual player. Incorporating a new pricing structure to include deeper modeling costs would change their business model.

Although why they just don't offer another sister company (i.e. Alabeo) that would adopt this new model as an option is a question which remains unanswered.

There's also a matter of quality/accuracy to be considered in doing a business like this because when it comes to modeling a list of aircraft that none of them have flown in or have any real world experience in...well, I for one know how that typically turns out when it comes to flight dynamics. There's already lots of sim planes developed for the market by non pilots and business men who do not own the aircraft they are crafting.

I like the idea behind what Blacksqaure is doing, but i feel that there's a limit to what they (or anyone else) can bring to the table as far as accurate/plausible behavior in flight models.

3 minutes ago, hangar said:

 

I like the idea behind what Blacksqaure is doing, but i feel that there's a limit to what they (or anyone else) can bring to the table as far as accurate/plausible behavior in flight models.

I tend to agree but I think the limit is MSFS itself.  Going external model might be the only good way to get a strong flight model.  

10 minutes ago, hangar said:

I think it might have to actually, because they (Carenado) have clearly demonstrated over the decades, despite the pleas from the hardcore fan base requesting deeper systems modeling, that they prefer a business model which caters to a more casual player.

It is exactly because they are unable to offer a deeper systems model that they would make a killing if they were to team up with someone who could. They changed their pricing structure significantly when Microsoft asked them to provide some Local Legends for £12.49 each. 

Edited March 18, 20233 yr by St Mawgan

However, it is hard to hear for some people.
We are limited by Xbox with respect to some implementations, graphics/simulations/etc.

It is what it is.

 

 

9 minutes ago, St Mawgan said:

they are unable to offer a deeper systems model

 that is by choice though, not because they would be unable to do it if they wanted (which they do not).

 

14 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

Going external model might be the only good way to get a strong flight model.

I agree, but it still won't be easy getting accurate behavior without finding an aircraft owner who is also a flight model hobbyist because if you don't have this then the other way is to hire an owner/pilot for a certain amount of R & D time, which most of our developer/hobbyists don't do (but wish they would!).

Edited March 18, 20233 yr by hangar

Just now, hangar said:

 that is by choice though, not because they would be unable to do it if they wanted (which they do not).

You think they could do what Black Square are doing??

10 minutes ago, St Mawgan said:

You think they could do what Black Square are doing??

Absolutely, yes. In fact one of their developers has his own releases for Xplane (under his own development name) which goes alot deeper than what Carenado likes to do.

Carenado chooses to work with who they want to though...and are also known for having worked many times with Bernt Stolle as an example...they have the money to do whatever they want, it's not as if they don't have access to the talent...but as a general rule of thumb they choose to fit into the market with a less expensive and more casual product as their preferred way of doing business.

Edited March 18, 20233 yr by hangar

this discussion goes to show how lucky we can consider ourselves when Joerg decided to bring the men-at-work-ing title on board. hardly anyone would be flying the CJ4, Citation Longitude or many of the others, incl. several of my Carenados, which all breathe new life after their AAU1 retrofit. The CJ4 is now so complex that some may think "ENOUGH ALREADY WITH ALL THAT STUDY LEVEL" 😀