It feels like there is very little news happening in the x-plane 3rd party world. Or is it just me? I'm a flight simulation fanatic and I'm always checking for the latest news across all the sims to see what is happening and projects to look forward to. Given the beta period and a few months pass release, I'd expect to see a lot more announcements about planes, new airports, projects in the work etc. Just one look at https://fselite.net/ and you'll see what I mean. 

Edited February 24, 20233 yr by brinx

Well, my perception is exactly the opposite...

Compared to the previous months, the last month, specially after the dynamics of the latest updates, has brought quite a few ports of XP11 aircraft into XP12-ready versions, in most cases without the users having to pay for it, which is simply great!

I have benefited from this in products like the Toliss A319, the Flight Factor A320 U and 757 Pro, MDLAG WW2 and cold war fighters, the Bell 412, to name just a few...

As the core sim enters a stable state we can expect more developers to join, and, I  believe, some of those who announced having jumped into the other sim will probably return, sooner or later...

I am convinced that Xp12 will grow in success, specially among those who are more concerned with the quality and detail in flight and systems modelling, but also with good real world weather modelling based on observation and forecasts, and LR hasn't closed the door to 3pds in that area, so, when the necessary SDK becomes available I hope we might have some more nice surprises 🙂

 

 

Edited February 24, 20233 yr by cagarini

My perception is also opposite 🙂 Many XP11 aircraft have been updated for XP12 plus new aircraft.  I have purchased the Q4XP from FlyJSim for some airliner flying and in the next week or so I will purchase the Hotstart CL650.

Not only have I downloaded several utilities, one of the best has been VisualXP (default atmosphere/lighting in XP12 is superb, yet this plugin manages to add super effects), XP12 itself has had many great updates - 12.04 being of note with very good weather updates.  Default airports in XP12 are very good indeed.

Oh, I see another update has landed, lets see what this brings!

You'd have to go The Org to get the XP news.... 

FSElite covers some but it's mostly Microsoft oriented.

I guess XP12 is still pretty new...even the steam stats show not a ton of people are using it.  Now I'm not certain if steam stats is only based off of purchasers who went through steam?  At any rate there are more devs porting their stuff over from 11 or making new native products.

Aerobask has a lot of their stuff already in XP12 - I recommend the DA50 and the DA42, and of course the Legacy!  I'm just finishing up a paint for it

WIP14_FinalExt2 by Ryan Butterworth, on Flickr

41 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

You'd have to go The Org to get the XP news.... 

FSElite covers some but it's mostly Microsoft oriented.

I guess XP12 is still pretty new...even the steam stats show not a ton of people are using it.  Now I'm not certain if steam stats is only based off of purchasers who went through steam?  At any rate there are more devs porting their stuff over from 11 or making new native products.

Aerobask has a lot of their stuff already in XP12 - I recommend the DA50 and the DA42, and of course the Legacy!  I'm just finishing up a paint for it

WIP14_FinalExt2 by Ryan Butterworth, on Flickr

That is lovely work Ryan. _Almost_ makes me want to go buy the Legacy. 🙂

What sort of sweet talking and bribery do I have to offer to get you to make some of your fine liveries for the DA50RG and/or the DA42? 

39 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

I'm not certain if steam stats is only based off of purchasers who went through steam

Yes, the only apple-to-apple comparison is with XP11
From what @GoranM said the sales figure are really good, I think many are just parking XP12 and using XP11 while it matures.

Personally, I deleted XP11 the day XP12 went in early access, I could not stand it any longer! 🙂 

1 hour ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

My perception is also opposite 🙂 Many XP11 aircraft have been updated for XP12 plus new aircraft.  I have purchased the Q4XP from FlyJSim for some airliner flying and in the next week or so I will purchase the Hotstart CL650.

Not only have I downloaded several utilities, one of the best has been VisualXP (default atmosphere/lighting in XP12 is superb, yet this plugin manages to add super effects), XP12 itself has had many great updates - 12.04 being of note with very good weather updates.  Default airports in XP12 are very good indeed.

Oh, I see another update has landed, lets see what this brings!

Pretty sad to see the forum has 0 posts either plus or minus. Are you the only cheerleader? I would consider buying the 650 except for certain persons associated with the product.

The biggest strategic mistake for xplane was to not provide existing Xp11 owners with a fair price upgrade, especially given that many had purchased msfs2020.

It's exactly what happened in my case. I own xp11, but do not feel I want to shell out for the full cost of xp12 as well as risking the obsolescence of paid add ons.

This applies to p3D. I own version 4.xx, but decided not to pay the full price for version 5.

tc

Speaking of Aerobask, anyone know if the Falcon is coming anytime soon?

1 hour ago, ryanbatc said:

Aerobask has a lot of their stuff already in XP12 - I recommend the DA50 and the DA42, and of course the Legacy!  I'm just finishing up a paint for it

Now that is a very smart airplane!

1 hour ago, ryanbatc said:

FSElite covers some but it's mostly Microsoft oriented.

I don't think it has to do with being Microsoft oriented. I see the same from other simulation-oriented sites. I think it has to do with the lack of big news related to xplane. fselite covers the major sims like P3D, MSFS, DCS etc. The x-plane devs even did the developer series with them.  

2 hours ago, ryanbatc said:

I guess XP12 is still pretty new...even the steam stats show not a ton of people are using it.

My perception is that a developer will get the largest influx of users on a platform at launch. After that it will continue to grow but at a much, much slower pace. 

2 hours ago, cagarini said:

I have benefited from this in products like the Toliss A319, the Flight Factor A320 U and 757 Pro, MDLAG WW2 and cold war fighters, the Bell 412, to name just a few...

Toliss, Flight Factor, Aerobask are guaranteed. Maybe I was expecting more frequent and big announcements though, from the likes of orbx for example. High quality 3rd party airports from DRZEWIECKI DESIGN etc. 

2 hours ago, brinx said:

It feels like there is very little news happening in the x-plane 3rd party world. Or is it just me? I'm a flight simulation fanatic and I'm always checking for the latest news across all the sims to see what is happening and projects to look forward to. Given the beta period and a few months pass release, I'd expect to see a lot more announcements about planes, new airports, projects in the work etc. Just one look at https://fselite.net/ and you'll see what I mean. 

A few of us are waiting for a more stable API and documentation, but it's far from quiet (at least internally). Just like previous XP releases, the products will start flowing out once we we're a few months in and developers know what will remain stable throughout the 12 lifecycle

1 hour ago, skipph said:

Pretty sad to see the forum has 0 posts either plus or minus. Are you the only cheerleader? I would consider buying the 650 except for certain persons associated with the product.

I think their Discord is a lot more active.  Seems to be the trending way to communicate with a development group or for support.

1 hour ago, Malaromane said:

That is lovely work Ryan. _Almost_ makes me want to go buy the Legacy. 🙂

What sort of sweet talking and bribery do I have to offer to get you to make some of your fine liveries for the DA50RG and/or the DA42? 

I saw and downloaded a super nice DA50 livery over at the org.  I think it's N858RB or similar tail number.

This legacy livery has been a true struggle... apparently I picked an advanced one hehe.  I won't embarrass myself and tell you how many hours I've spent on it so far.

4 hours ago, brinx said:

It feels like there is very little news happening in the x-plane 3rd party world. Or is it just me?

Its a good, and honest question. and not an easy one answer.

First, this

1 hour ago, ryanbatc said:

I think their Discord is a lot more active.  Seems to be the trending way to communicate with a development group or for support.

100%.

locate your favourite devs discord invite and jump in there, a lot of busy day to day "noise" happens in those channels.

A side effect of this is XP news via other channels is slower, but what does drop is much bigger, just look at the XP avsim pages of decent threads worth reading blow by blow. very good signal to noise. I personally asked fselite to hold off writing up the latest on the 744 until a new more tested release is ready, but there has been something new pretty much every day just on that.

The other significant aspect is, XPL is 25 years+ in now, there isnt a new aircraft or airport development (that will mostly end up never getting released, or being low quality if they do) being announced every other few hours, because XPL already has a pretty much complete set of good or high quality aircraft and airports, many several times over, of which pretty much no one has a clue exactly which are compatible with 12, many many are. (exceptional are just that - the exceptions, and I cant think of a single one of them who doesnt already or is at least very close to having something XP12 specific out soon)