1 hour ago, environmental_ice said:

If anyone actually works in aviation in the real world please chime in if you look forward to medical emergencies in real life.

EMTs do not look forward to someone nearly dying. Soldiers do not look forward to getting shot at. Nuclear power engineers do not look forward to preventing meltdowns. Yet there are games devoted to all of those themes. 

BTW Neofly 3 has diversions, and you complete the mission when you divert, so...

 

20 minutes ago, environmental_ice said:

These programs will have you divert your flight and then you have to load brand new passengers to start another flight. That kills any immersion for me (...)

I've had my share of overnights; With my company it was unlikely you'd ever end up continuing on with the same pax after a diversion. They'd either get a new crew out to the plane during your 10 hours rest or just rent buses for everyone if the plane got them close enough to their destination.

As for the chance of something happening on the next leg: Life can be like that; Sometimes you'll have back to back incidences like a 4 hour weather hold on the first leg, then a fist fight on the second, then crew swaps you to a shorter rounder for your 3rd and 4th leg so you don't time out. In that regard aviation is sometimes far messier than simmers tend to simulate. Personally I always enjoyed the break in monotony, which I guess is why an addon like this might appeal to me but not to others.

58 minutes ago, mspencer said:

Yeah, you do. You can divert. I think it completes the leg.

I think I will try that with PACX. 

55 minutes ago, eslader said:

EMTs do not look forward to someone nearly dying. Soldiers do not look forward to getting shot at. Nuclear power engineers do not look forward to preventing meltdowns. Yet there are games devoted to all of those themes. 

BTW Neofly 3 has diversions, and you complete the mission when you divert, so...

 

You're comparing fire fighting and war games to a game that involves operating airplanes that dont include fighter jet dog fights either at that.....

I have no issue with diversions. My point of view is Its not something I am looking forward to and Ive already paid for it with PACX that already takes care of the passengers needing medical attention. If this will actually have a realistic passenger simulation I am all for it but as it stands now I am personally over flight attendant simulator addons. You dont have to agree with it. different strokes for different folks  

24 minutes ago, environmental_ice said:

You're comparing fire fighting and war games to a game that involves operating airplanes that dont include fighter jet dog fights either at that.....

I'm calling you out on your lack of logic is what I'm doing. If you don't want to install an add-on to the sim that requires you to land because a pretend person has a pretend heart attack, you're not required to. Harping on others who are interested in such gameplay and justifying it by saying "real pilots don't want to deal with that" is, well, absurd.

 

On 4/1/2023 at 3:22 PM, eslader said:

I'm calling you out on your lack of logic is what I'm doing. If you don't want to install an add-on to the sim that requires you to land because a pretend person has a pretend heart attack, you're not required to. Harping on others who are interested in such gameplay and justifying it by saying "real pilots don't want to deal with that" is, well, absurd.

 

There is no lack of logic here. I replied saying its not something I am personally interested in while also stating we already have a program that does this, and I bought that program so If I felt like dealing with it I would run it. Now....If you want yet another program that simulates a passenger medical emergency causing you to divert your flight to so you can....pass? win the scenario? I guess go ahead then have at it. What we dont have these days is a realistic passenger simulation or the ability to have dynamic interactions with cabin crew. 

You replied to my original comment which was: "I think im good off these passenger addons. Im not sure where or when the idea people would want something like a passenger heart attack to have to divert their flight got so popular. Also every passenger addon comes off half baked compared to FSPassengers 2004"

 

And now here you are trying to have a strawman argument that im harping on anyone that would want this gameplay.. I simply said Im good off this and I dont see where the idea is coming from that this is something people are looking for. FSpassengers didn't even have this for what its worth and when you want to bring up passenger simulation this is generally the baseline for most if not all. Im pretty active on discussion boards, discord, avsim, reddit etc and I have never seen someone celebrate PACX for example for its medical emergencies. They pretty much use it because its the only passenger simulation we have. Then there is still people who fly with self loading cargo which doesnt have any emergencies at all. Its not crazy to say passenger emergencies are just not that popular in flight simulator but sure go ahead and bring up EMT/fire fighting games and such to prove your point 🤣

 

Edited April 4, 20233 yr by environmental_ice

On 4/1/2023 at 1:43 PM, WestAir said:

My interests are peaked.

FSPassengersX was truly ahead of its time. The only other addon that ever came close was FSCaptain. Sadly we won't be seeing either in MSFS for the foreseeable future. So if this can come close to these old and polished products, I'm sold.

Have you tried PACX?  It's decent but a bit underdeveloped but TFDi swears they are in the midst of a significant upgrade.  I use it for all flights.  I was a serious fan of FSCaptain and since it's a bit behind the dev curve have gone to A Pilot's Life v2 + which I heartily recommend for several good features including scoring of all flights according to a robust set of criteria which goes toward your pilot's rating.

 

Edited April 5, 20233 yr by environmental_ice

Needs a "call Medlink and patch the FAs in" option.  90% of the time the solution is oxygen and orange juice.  You land at your destination and write up an O2 bottle used and EEMK opened.  Get to the hotel 30 seconds later than you otherwise would have.  😁

ButtKicker starts to vibrate for loud caterwauling 

 

This could be quite good if it had disruptive passengers.

1.  Confirm cabin crew have strapped them to their seat and taped over their mouth.
2.  Divert to nearest airport.
3.  Call the police to eject them off the plane while hearing the applause of other passengers.
4.  Receive feedback next time in the sim that they have been handed £85,000 fine and banned from flying for life.

That would be quite satisfying!

The issue is there's now many of these addons that basically do the same thing.

They give you pre-canned, generic announcements, a list of 2-3 situations that you see, they name the passengers and tell you how many cats they have, and they try to score the flight.

There's been literally no innovation in this in over ten years. FSPax was the most feature rich, but I believe the developer passed away. PacX is still a remarkably shallow experience. LAT is a showboat program for the developer's discord, and doesn't perform at all on my machine. Self-Loading Cargo was good for its time, but the developer got way ahead of his skis and got caught just gaslighting the community. And on, and on, and on, and on.

Somebody needs to come up with an actual good idea. Maybe a SimBrief integrated line simulation, you can do a lot today with AI voices as well. I'm pretty sick of a new UI on the same old simulation that's been done to death and has absolutely no depth.

13 minutes ago, mspencer said:

but I believe the developer passed away

ah man, i didn't know that. his program brings back such great memories, what a treasure to the community. I remember having my left main gear not deploy on final to SFO..and I thought my sim was broken. Nope, just a failure from the program, doing it's job. Had to do a hard bounce landing to get it to free fall, passengers screaming in the background and all. Such a fun program. that paired with FSCaptain was the most fun airline experience in the sim.

41 minutes ago, mspencer said:

I believe the developer passed away.

 

25 minutes ago, V1ROTA7E said:

ah man, i didn't know that

There's no indication that Dan Steph has passed away. He still does addons for Orbiter Space Flight SIm, and while he hasn't been active at his Orbiter forum in a year and a half, that's also not uncharacteristic of him. (He vanishes for far longer, and has done so since the early 2000's).

That said, I wish he'd come back and make a mod for MSFS. We need innovation, as Mspencer so passionately stated.

On 4/2/2023 at 3:50 AM, environmental_ice said:

If anyone actually works in aviation in the real world please chime in if you look forward to medical emergencies in real life. Im not sure why anyone would want to pay again to simulate that (PACX already does this).

I've responded to 5 in-flight emergencies - 4 pax, 1 stew. Do I look forward to them...well, not exactly, but they are kind of interesting. Plus the airlines give you free stuff, or at least promise to (still waiting for that last truck to arrive with all my goodies like I was promised).

In the sim - not really as much fun. So the pax has a heart attack and you have to "avoid turbulence"?? That's not realistic. But really, it's just an arbitrary diversion. Maybe as a very occasional incident, but I doubt you want this happening regularly.

In fact, we've not diverted for any of my five real world in-flight dramas. Almost did for one - ex-nurse stew had told the pilots they would need to for a possible ruptured aorta - but I had a good chat to the aeromedical guy in Phoenix on the HF, and we agreed that the flight could push on.

I did ask the Captain if I could have a fly of his T7 after that one, but he respectfully declined.

Good times!