15 hours ago, 737_800 said:

I am using an i9 10850k with RTX 3090 and 32GB@4000Mhz. Would it make sense to upgrade the CPU to get better performance? I use 2k Monitor, would it make sense to change to 4K to increase performance?

Your computer should run MSFS just fine with no issues the way it is.  To insure this when you first install FS use the default settings and adjust form there.  What I suspect in your case is something else is running in the background causing you not to get the full performance you should have out of your PC.  MSFS is optimized for XBOX so with that in mind PC's at least going back to when FS was first release should have no problem with FS as they are more powerful.  What we in IT are finding these days is spayware has been installed inadvertently on users PC by updating Zoom and Teams from phishing emails which give hackers background access into your machine.  It runs slower because your desktop has software on it where someone is remotely looking at your desktop in real time.  There's no way with the hardware specs you posted you should be having any performance issues on that box.🧐  Investigate spyware, you may need to revert your OS back to default and start over to kill what got installed on your machine.😕

16 hours ago, 737_800 said:

I am using an i9 10850k with RTX 3090 and 32GB@4000Mhz. Would it make sense to upgrade the CPU to get better performance? I use 2k Monitor, would it make sense to change to 4K to increase performance?

Your computer should run MSFS better than mine , I have a I9 10900k 2080Ti 32GB and run the game at 3440x1440 just fine with T-lod at 150, clouds at High and the rest at Ultra, and I doesn't feel any eager to upgrade as long I don't upgrade to 4K.

2 hours ago, techman said:

4080 with frame generation, you should win about 120% frames per second.

Total overkill if you don't have a 4K display.

52 minutes ago, Farlis said:

Total overkill if you don't have a 4K display.

It doubles the frames in any resolution. 

3 hours ago, Farlis said:

Total overkill if you don't have a 4K display.

Disagree completely.  I run 1440p and my 4080 more than doubled my fps using frame gen.  That means heavy payware in heavy weather with AI traffic while still getting 60-80 fps.  Butter smooth well worth it!

3 hours ago, techman said:

It doubles the frames in any resolution. 

But at what cost. You can get more than adequate performance with a GPU of half that price.

6 hours ago, Farlis said:

But at what cost. You can get more than adequate performance with a GPU of half that price.

Yeah, a 4070 if he never plans to go 4k in the future which is pretty unlikely

54 minutes ago, techman said:

Yeah, a 4070 if he never plans to go 4k in the future which is pretty unlikely

The amount of VRAM is too low on the 4070.to make it a good value proposition. MSFS loves VRAM and NVIDIA purposely made it poor value because of details like that so that we buy the more expensive 4080 or 4090.

At 1440p the 40XX graphics cards are a solution in search of a problem.

Then, again, if you have money to burn......

14 hours ago, ryanbatc said:

Disagree completely.  I run 1440p and my 4080 more than doubled my fps using frame gen.  That means heavy payware in heavy weather with AI traffic while still getting 60-80 fps.  Butter smooth well worth it!

It's butter smooth at 30 fps, but as you clearly prefer to watch the frame rate rather than the scenery, does it really matter, so long as the number is high enough?
Not directed at you at all, but a topic enquiring if an RTX 3090 needs to be upgraded is surely the definition of a "first world problem", when the majority can only dream of having such a powerful and of course expensive device.

A lot of people here are guessing, however I recently went from a similar machine to an upgrade. I had a 9900k with 3070, and upgraded first to a 5800x3d, then a few weeks later to a 7900xtx.

Your gpu is awesome. At the res you're playing you absolutely don't need to upgrade it. What I can say with confidence is that a cpu upgrade will be an absolute game changer.

 

Grab the new AMD CPU or alternatively a 13600/700 and it'll feel like a new sim.

 

The upgrade from my 3070 to a 7900xtx was significantly less impressive than the 9900k to 5800x3d.

My current build in full:

5800x3d, 7900xtx hellhound, 64gb 3200mhz ram and nvme drive tends to sit at around 130fps at ultra (dropping to 70fps at heavy payware airports in payware airliners) at 1440p with 120 percent render scaling.

I would be surprised if adding a more modern cpu to your build wouldn't net you something similar. Definitely drop that object detail distance down though. Very diminishing returns on that one.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 17, 20233 yr by Bigbluss

56 minutes ago, Reader said:

It's butter smooth at 30 fps, but as you clearly prefer to watch the frame rate rather than the scenery, does it really matter, so long as the number is high enough?
Not directed at you at all, but a topic enquiring if an RTX 3090 needs to be upgraded is surely the definition of a "first world problem", when the majority can only dream of having such a powerful and of course expensive device.

Butter smooth at 30fps? If that's true for you then good for you, but it's objectively not true for most of us. I notice a significant difference when my sim drops from 120fps down to 60fps. At 30fps I'd rather uninstall and wait for better hardware. It's not about watching the scenery. Flight is movement through a fluid, it doesn't take a huge leap of imagination to see why a more fluid perception of motion is nice to have here.

 

Also, why are you calling someone out because their question is a first world problem? Many of us are experienced professionals for whom this is a significant hobby. I suspect a number of us are engineers, lawyers, accountants etc. The cost of a new GPU is negligible because we've been successful in our professional lives.

It's far cheaper than a real aircraft, sports car, good set of golf clubs and membership...The list goes on - hell even a good tennis club membership for a year. If this is someone's passion, who are you to diminish their desire for better performance?

Stop knocking people for their financial and hobby choice. You can't afford to upgrade? Fair enough. Not our problem.

16 minutes ago, Bigbluss said:

Stop knocking people for their financial and hobby choice. You can't afford to upgrade? Fair enough. Not our problem.

I don't measure everything, even success, by financial well being.
The RTX 3090 is an outstandingly capable graphics card and if someone wants to upgrade to an even more capable card, then good for them.
My own experience is that the pursuit of frame rates is not the primary goal in seeking quality of display in MSFS but if it is someone else's then
good for them too.
Also, this is without a doubt a first-world problem, but that expression is not a personal attack, it is just a statement that in the broader view of problems
faced in this world, the option to upgrade to something that is unattainable for most of the world from something else that is unattainable to most of the world,
is something that is out of the reach of the majority.
Clearly, we have a different perspective and that in itself does not require a defence such as you appear to feel is necessary.
 

 

8 minutes ago, Reader said:

I don't measure everything, even success, by financial well being.
The RTX 3090 is an outstandingly capable graphics card and if someone wants to upgrade to an even more capable card, then good for them.
My own experience is that the pursuit of frame rates is not the primary goal in seeking quality of display in MSFS but if it is someone else's then
good for them too.
Also, this is without a doubt a first-world problem, but that expression is not a personal attack, it is just a statement that in the broader view of problems
faced in this world, the option to upgrade to something that is unattainable for most of the world from something else that is unattainable to most of the world,
is something that is out of the reach of the majority.
Clearly, we have a different perspective and that in itself does not require a defence such as you appear to feel is necessary.
 

 

Who said anything about measuring success via financial well being? Wellbeing comes from a variety of sources though I'd certainly argue that financial health is one of them. Not sure of the relevance of what you're saying other than I've heard this argument from many people that are financially reckless.

 

You've repeated that it's a first world problem in an attempt to what, diminish the OPs question or somehow imply they're out of touch? 

 

We're all flying pixel airplanes instead of hunting for food on the savannah or trying to fight off an invading country. Every question anyone could ask on this forum is a "first world problem".

I think what you really mean by this is "this is not a problem I have, so it's not a problem you should have". Perhaps in an attempt to make yourself feel superior?

Yes I'm defensive, I'm often defensive of people when I believe they're being ridiculed or put down by others that are jealous of their position and life choices.

2 hours ago, Reader said:

It's butter smooth at 30 fps, but as you clearly prefer to watch the frame rate rather than the scenery, does it really matter, so long as the number is high enough?
Not directed at you [ryanbatc] at all, but a topic enquiring if an RTX 3090 needs to be upgraded is surely the definition of a "first world problem", when the majority can only dream of having such a powerful and of course expensive device.

1 hour ago, Bigbluss said:

...why are you calling someone out because their question is a first world problem? Many of us are experienced professionals for whom this is a significant hobby. I suspect a number of us are engineers, lawyers, accountants etc. The cost of a new GPU is negligible because we've been successful in our professional lives...

Stop knocking people for their financial and hobby choice. You can't afford to upgrade? Fair enough. Not our problem.

26 minutes ago, Bigbluss said:

I think what you really mean by this is "this is not a problem I have, so it's not a problem you should have". Perhaps in an attempt to make yourself feel superior?

Yes I'm defensive, I'm often defensive of people when I believe they're being ridiculed or put down by others that are jealous of their position and life choices.

Bigbluss, maybe Reader and Riccardo44 had simply noted what the OP stated:

On 4/16/2023 at 1:55 PM, 737_800 said:

...I use limited 30 fps).

Why did you take it as an attack on yourself (if anything it was directed a Ryan)? You seem to feel guilt for your position feel the need to justify it? It's very unhealthy how hardware threads sometimes becomes a dickwaving contest because it puts people off entering the hobby by making it appear you need a $3000 computer to play the simulators well when you really don't; to be told "if you can't afford... not our problem" is really very disparaging to most readers.

The difference between a 3090 and 4090 is very much subject to diminishing returns in the context of flight simulators as I would expect either to be capable of pushing over 60 fps constantly at the highest of settings and I think that is very smooth in the context of a competitively slow moving flight simulator. Unless one has a gaming monitor and is using something fast paced like a first person shooter or sports game, the difference shouldn't be discernable. Or perhaps VR.

Edited April 17, 20233 yr by ckyliu