Far as I know he hasn't been a firsthand witness to anything and has not said anything that hasnt already been said. Like someone earlier said, his demeanour is a bit sus..  I think he just wants his own 15mins of fame. Not saying those grey lifeforms dont exist but most likely answer is he is being wound up by others who have an interest in the UFO/UAP theory being circulated and who are after huge US taxpayers funds to develop bigger and louder toys.

If anything these "UFOs" are just experimental aircraft...nothing alien about them. Connect the dots...notice all we ever see is "something" in the dark or it's blurry, pixelated and unrecognizable for a reason. Why would aliens "play" with humans and not come down and meet us in person or at least fly all over the world and show themselves for everyone to see? I'll tell you why...because they don't exist...here anyway. It's all made up...political distraction as far as I'm concerned. If they were real...everyone would know. It shouldn't be surprising that other living beings exist in this vast universe but haven't seen any here on earth...until I can actually see a UFO in a clear photo and it has made contact I don't believe it. They'll need to do better than making me believe in a blurry pixelated photo....good luck with that.

From Grusch interview with Le Parisien newspaper:

lnt.: What are you going to do now? 

DG.: l have more information that I'll publish later. I want to be an opinion leader on this subject. This year, I'll be launching a non-profit foundation to help the scientific community start protocols on this subject, from undergraduates to graduates. That would be useful, because there's no secret in the university system. It would finally make it possible to look at these things from a scientific standpoint.

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3 hours ago, robb13 said:

Far as I know he hasn't been a firsthand witness to anything and has not said anything that hasnt already been said. Like someone earlier said, his demeanour is a bit sus..  I think he just wants his own 15mins of fame. Not saying those grey lifeforms dont exist but most likely answer is he is being wound up by others who have an interest in the UFO/UAP theory being circulated and who are after huge US taxpayers funds to develop bigger and louder toys.

 

Yep, its only what he was told.

He has already presented  evidence to Congress allegedly and there will now be a full blown hearing and investigation by the House of Representatives.  

It's quite an extreme measure for an individual with a good reputation for just 15 minutes of fame and a number of high ranking individuals have said he is beyond reproach.

As I've said previously, for me, the notion of numerous crashed alien space ships is an oxymoron. It may well be that he is genuine but those that fed the info to him aren't.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Will273 said:

If anything these "UFOs" are just experimental aircraft...nothing alien about them.

 

Those that believe the phenomenon is something other than experimental aircraft, would point to the extreme (to us physics defying) maneuvers they allegedly perform. There have been a considerable number of trustworthy individuals like air force pilots and airline pilots who have reported some quite extraordinary things. Maneuverers that would seem to be akin to  Sitar Trek technology. 

 

 

1 hour ago, martin-w said:

Maneuverers that would seem to be akin to  Sitar Trek technology. 

 

 

Like Ravi Shankar? Just kidding...

I was also wondering about the pilot reports, or whether there have been sightings by airline passengers. I certainly would like to believe they're already here, whoever they are.

10 hours ago, martin-w said:

but instead, alien probes, sub-light probes, that have been traveling through the cosmos for an inordinate amount of time.

Any probe is totally useless if it fails to return with harvested information. 😏

5 minutes ago, n4gix said:

Any probe is totally useless if it fails to return with harvested information.

Probes are not designed to return unless they are carrying physical samples. Just imagine the New Horizons spacecraft if we had to wait until it returned from Pluto before we could analyse the data and see the images. Also, it would have to be much bigger and more complex to carry the return fuel and to perform the manouevres required for such a change in direction. Suppose it got dinged by an asteroid on the return journey and we ended up with nothing.

15 minutes ago, dmwalker said:

Probes are not designed to return unless they are carrying physical samples.

How then would it communicate the gathered data back home, given that it is likely to have travelled many parsecs*. It is unlikely that any form of radio telemetry would have enough power to get even a brief data burst back to its origin. Even if a message was sent, by the time it arrived, the hypothetical creatures would likely have forgotten the probe was ever sent! 😮

* Nota bene: A parsec is defined as the distance at which an object would have a parallax angle of one arcsecond (1/3,600th of a degree) when observed from opposite ends of a baseline equal to the distance between the Earth and the Sun (about 149.6 million kilometers or 93 million miles). In more mathematical terms, a parsec is approximately equal to 3.09 × 10^13 kilometers or 3.26 light-years.

In simpler words, a parsec is roughly 3.26 light-years or about 30.9 trillion kilometers.

43 minutes ago, n4gix said:

How then would it communicate the gathered data back home, given that it is likely to have travelled many parsecs*

Breakthrough Starshot is being considered to do just that with our current technology:

.A flyby mission has been proposed to Proxima Centauri b, an Earth-sized exoplanet in the habitable zone of its host star, Proxima Centauri, in the Alpha Centauri system. At a speed between 15% and 20% of the speed of light, it would take between 20 and 30 years to complete the journey, and approximately 4 years for a return message from the starship to Earth. 

So that's a distance of 4.37 light years. I can't imagine how you could do it for distances much greater than that but maybe some aliens have found a way.

I think all this talk of alien probes is more about mother ships hiding somewhere in the solar system and sending local reconnaissance probes so as not to risk damage to itself or just to be more discreet.

Edited June 10, 20232 yr by dmwalker

If anyone is coming here from somewhere else in the universe or frankly even somewhere relatively nearby in our own galaxy say less than 50 ly they're either making that journey in 10 minutes or not at all. It might be the case that they are broadly speaking millennia or just hundreds of years ahead of us technologically but it might be the case that they are only a couple decades ahead of us and that they went from lets say Space-X level of space travel plus a couple of decades, so they have space craft that are reasonably large and have visited perhaps a satalite planet around their planet like the moon and other planets in there solar system like Mars and built bases on them. lets say the pinnacle of their space faring is equivalent to a manned orbital trip to Europa launched from a permanent base on Mars. Now, let's say they have quantum computer AI and nuclear fission propulsion too. All thing that perhaps are just a few decades away for us. One day one of their top physicist says to the AI "how are you coming along with that space travel challenge we gave you a couple of years ago?" The AI replies, "You mean the one too design a system that will fit on our largest spacecraft that can open a worm hole in space right in front of the ship big enough for it to pass through and manage with very good accuracy where the other end of that worm hole will be. And do that within the limits of the maximum energy the crafts engines can generate?" The scientist replies, "yes that's the one." The AI replies, "Solved it!". The scientist spills coffee down his shirt.

Anyway, they build it and test it in the region of there own solar system. The constraints of the test is that if it works we don't want to be too far away to not be able to get home if we cant get it to work a second time. They can reach say 0.1 light speed with their nuclear fusion propulsion in the ship they have retrofitted with the new worm hole drive so they go hoping around from location to location within 1/10 of a light year so that if the system fails it will only take them about a year to get home. Arduous for the crew but nothing they aren't capable of.

The system works and after a year of testing and development they decide its time to take the risk of going to another solar system. The most promising planet is the third planet in orbit around a star 50 ly away. Some signals that are barely distinguishable from the background radiation could be artificial. So the big historic day came. Their first trip to another solar system. They set the Worm hole drive to open in the region of the largest planets orbit in the destination solar system. A quirk of the worm holes is that they are one way so no information comes to them from other side of the worm hole once it opened. They activate their manoeuvring thrusters and slide on through. The crew begin to cry at the sight of Jupiter and are in silent astonishment at what they see and hear as they scan the electromagnetic spectrum.

So in this scenario I can see that all of their tech may be just a few decades advanced of where we are at but going from not being able to open traversable worm holes to being able to open traversable worm holes is an overnight advancement.

Edited June 10, 20232 yr by FBW737

On 6/8/2023 at 4:16 PM, dave2013 said:

I'm curious how you know what kind of technology would be required in order to travel many light years in a reasonable amount of time?

Einstein's equation ... E = mc²

Along several others (Isaac Newton) that worked in the field of energy and mass and light.

The current observable universe is about 94 Billion Light years (width) with most distance from our POV at 47 Billion light-years.  Closest exoplanet is 4 light-years, but no guarantee of advanced life.  TOI700e is about 100 light-years away which is the current highest ranked planet that "might" have advanced life forms ... but the odds of aiming at one planet to travel to and being correct that it has sufficient technology to possibly visit Earth seems extremely "lucky".  The more likely scenario is running a search pattern that could last thousands of light-years before encountering advance life forms.

IF we're able to have a space craft that can travel even 1/2 the speed of light and somehow deal with all the cosmic debris in whatever path it travels there would be a need to provide another very high level of energy to prevent catastrophic collisions with space debris (material science alone can't solve this problem).  So the energy needed to managed a "deflection shield" as well as energy to propel a space craft at 1/2 the speed of light would need to be massive for the current "stable" fusion energy transfer technology.  And the larger the space craft the more energy is required to protect it from debris.

There is nothing that suggests our mental capacity is capable of reaching time travel (which is essentially what we're talking about).  As Stephen Hawking postulated, humans may simply not have sufficient mental fortitude/capacity.  As we can see in all animals currently on this planet, increased mental capacity is NOT some guaranteed process over time.

 

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23 minutes ago, CO2Neutral said:

There is nothing that suggests our mental capacity is capable of reaching time travel (which is essentially what we're talking about).  

Well, there is always the warp drive. Theoretically, that's possible (look up Alcubierre metric). I don't know how to harvest vacuum energy, but maybe the little green men do 🙂

1 hour ago, CO2Neutral said:

Einstein's equation ... E = mc²

That is a mass-energy equivalency equation.  It can be rearranged to show that at the speed of light mass is infinite, therefore cannot exceed light speed.  However, it does not preclude the possibility of faster than light travel.

The idea that nothing can travel faster than light is qualified by the fact that nothing can exceed that speed *through space*.

Space can indeed be distorted or "bent", as gravity proves.  We have seen light bent by the spatial distortion caused by the sun.

If we can figure out the technique to artificially bend space, which would require an immense amount of energy, just as it requires an immense mass, to make a significant distortion, then we can travel by compressing space in our direction of travel or bending it around us.

Fusion may be the answer. 

Dave

4 hours ago, dmwalker said:

Breakthrough Starshot is being considered to do just that with our current technology:

Background stellar noise would make receiving any coherent signal from even a high-power transmitter (which such small vehicles don't have) very unlikely at best.