Disinformation works best if there are elements of truth in it.

7 hours ago, LHookins said:

spent several days watching nothing but body language videos, and as a result I can't watch them now.  Judging from the comments on the video, I'm not alone having problems with body language experts.

 

Some of the things the body language experts say seem implausible, but other points they make seem plausible. It's the final conclusions I find interesting. 

Chase Hughes and Greg Hartley seem to think it's possibly rehersed disinformation. 

The conclusions start at 2:32. 

Edited June 16, 20232 yr by martin-w

3 hours ago, cmpbellsjc said:

Well the truth is, no one can be 100% correct judging body language. And, the only ones that know the truth of what he’s been saying are either the ones who put him up to this, if it’s part of a disinformation campaign, or the ones who gave him this info to see if he’d spill the beans.

One article I read on the matter suggested the later. In other words, the people who feed him the info he’s been speaking of, were told to tell him this to see if he’d come forward and leak it. 

Either way, it’s either true, a disinformation campaign or a set up. Knowing the way the govt works, it’s probably either of the two last choices. If it were true, he’d probably either have mysteriously disappeared by now or have met with an untimely death by car accident, sudden illness or suicide. It is interesting none the less.

Well said.

15 hours ago, martin-w said:

These are the guys I've been waiting for. 4 of the top behaviour experts on the planet.

 

 

I've watched these guys before and they're pretty good.

10 hours ago, LHookins said:

I spent several days watching nothing but body language videos, and as a result I can't watch them now.  Judging from the comments on the video, I'm not alone having problems with body language experts.

I watched for a  while, maybe a half hour, before I had to give up.

"Lip compressions?"  Looked like smugness to me.  I had a friend who did that a lot.  But often he had only a passing acquaintance with the truth.  Does that mean Grusch is lying?  Well, all he really says is, "This is what I was told."  Some of that has apparently been confirmed by other credible people.  But he doesn't talk about any actual physical evidence;  the closest he gets to it are the kind of interesting pictures which we have all seen at one time or another.

I did find some of the other non-body-language information they provided to be useful.

Hook

I agree but until we can see some physical evidence it's all just speculation...I'm talking about Headline Breaking News with crystal clear LIVE video at the scene...blurry and pixilated video and photos don't count as evidence as far as I'm concerned...neither do interviews with people that were there...if they have all that then they also have real High Definition video and photos that can be proven beyond a doubt for skeptics like me...that's if they REALLY wanted everyone to know the truth but so far it doesn't look that way. Seems more like disinformation than anything else...the more they talk the more fake it seems to get...they have everything except actual physical evidence which spells FAKE NEWS.

20 hours ago, Will273 said:

I agree but until we can see some physical evidence it's all just speculation...I'm talking about Headline Breaking News with crystal clear LIVE video at the scene...blurry and pixilated video and photos don't count as evidence as far as I'm concerned...neither do interviews with people that were there...if they have all that then they also have real High Definition video and photos that can be proven beyond a doubt for skeptics like me...that's if they REALLY wanted everyone to know the truth but so far it doesn't look that way. Seems more like disinformation than anything else...the more they talk the more fake it seems to get...they have everything except actual physical evidence which spells FAKE NEWS.

The other issue is, even if the govt decided to show some photos of pieces from a crashed/wrecked craft, there’s no way we’d know for sure if it was real or something they manufactured. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but I’ve seen enough from politicians and govt official to understand that half the stuff they say is either a lie or not the whole truth. 

Like you said, until something is witnessed in broad daylight or decently filmed in HD and is irrefutable then maybe we’ll know the truth. Having said that, some of the stuff like the tic tac HUD videos and the silver orbs being filmed in the Middle East are pretty compelling, along with testimony from military pilots, astronauts, and other groups of people, it’s still hard to know for sure. If we ever had an “Independence Day” type of event to happen where huge UFOs are hovering over major cities around the world waiting to blow it all up, then maybe we’d know for sure 😂😂 

 

2 hours ago, cmpbellsjc said:

The other issue is, even if the govt decided to show some photos of pieces from a crashed/wrecked craft, there’s no way we’d know for sure if it was real or something they manufactured. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but I’ve seen enough from politicians and govt official to understand that half the stuff they say is either a lie or not the whole truth. 

Like you said, until something is witnessed in broad daylight or decently filmed in HD and is irrefutable then maybe we’ll know the truth. Having said that, some of the stuff like the tic tac HUD videos and the silver orbs being filmed in the Middle East are pretty compelling, along with testimony from military pilots, astronauts, and other groups of people, it’s still hard to know for sure. If we ever had an “Independence Day” type of event to happen where huge UFOs are hovering over major cities around the world waiting to blow it all up, then maybe we’d know for sure 😂😂 

 

Exactly. Anything less than verifiable proof or HD video, photos with the media right there LIVE...is speculation which is about what we have everywhere now. Like you said...the government and the media can NOT be trusted...at least I don't trust them. If it's NOT a "we interrupt this broadcast for some headline breaking news" then it's NOT real news. As for the military pilots and astronauts...possible but highly doubt it's what we think...the videos of them could be edited and or whatever they said could be taken out of context...remember it's coming from the media which is a big red flag...without proof it's a big fat nothing. Those pilots and others could be involved in something we don't know about and be spreading fake news...more to speculate...LOL.

Edited June 17, 20232 yr by Will273

I would really like to see a clear, colour photo of an alien and an earthling, side by side in front of the spacecraft and with the alien making "bunny ears" above the earthling's head, just to show it has a sense of humour.

There are reasons that in most every country, during a criminal trial there might appear on the witness stand, lie detector technicians, voice matching experts, handwriting analysts, fingerprint experts. But never 'body language experts'. 

5 hours ago, Fielder said:

There are reasons that in most every country, during a criminal trial there might appear on the witness stand, lie detector technicians, voice matching experts, handwriting analysts, fingerprint experts. But never 'body language experts'. 

 

Body language can be used in a court of law, acording to the article linked to.

"Body language can provide valuable information in many legal situations. For example, a victim’s body language in a police interview can provide investigators with important details about the crime. In addition, body language is often used as evidence in courtroom trials."

Whether they are referring to the apperance of a body language analyst on the stand I'm not sure but I would certainly hope not, as a lot of it is subjective. .

Lie detectors aren't admisable.

May depend on the individual countries legal system of course, whether an expert appears on the stand or not but again, I certainly hope not.

https://bodylanguagematters.com/can-body-language-be-used-as-evidence/

The body language panel guys have worked for the military, inteligence services, taught interrogation techniques, counter interrogation etc. 

Body language is highly important in a court of law in terms of the way an individual conducts themselves of course, so something legal participants are cognisant of. 

https://www.roundtablegroup.com/aroundthetable/body-language-in-the-courtroom-winning-without-words/#:~:text=Body language%2C or the nonverbal,powerful tool in legal proceedings.

And of course, every one of us asseses body language every day when we interact with people, either consciously or unconsciously. 

For me, some things the body language guys say will be valid and some not but when you get 4 of them all together, all coming to the same conclusions, it's worth paying attention to.

Edited June 18, 20232 yr by martin-w

20 hours ago, Will273 said:

As for the military pilots and astronauts...possible but highly doubt it's what we think...the videos of them could be edited and or whatever they said could be taken out of context..

 

The interviews of pilots like Ryan Graves are not edited or misrepresented. Ryan has done entire presentations to organisations on this subject and now interviews other pilots on his podcast. Fravor and Dietrich have been interviewed many times. 

Fravor, Graves and others have appeared before Congress members. 

 

I sincerely hope that you are not correct on this issue, Martin. 

I am going by this: https://bodylanguagematters.com/can-body-language-be-used-as-evidence/

"Body language can be used as evidence in a court of law in a few different ways, such as video footage or witnesses’ testimony. There are benefits to using body language as evidence, like supporting other forms of evidence or helping to establish credibility. However, there are also limitations to using body language as evidence, such as the interpretation of body language cues."

Certainly body language is used in court. All trial lawyers study the subject. But at this point, I seriously doubt a legitimate court in any civilized nation allows an expert to take the stand and say something like: I interpret this evidence or this testimony as most likely true or false by my using my learned skills of observing body language. 

 

Lawyers can of course in their final summation ask the jury questions like "Did this witness look to you, the jury, like he was somebody who was telling the truth"?

But I just cannot imagine a court will allow a witness to say he's an expert and can tell when someone is lying, and then based on this expertise render his opinion. 

That does not seem like a fair trial.

1 hour ago, martin-w said:

 

The interviews of pilots like Ryan Graves are not edited or misrepresented. Ryan has done entire presentations to organisations on this subject and now interviews other pilots on his podcast. Fravor and Dietrich have been interviewed many times. 

Fravor, Graves and others have appeared before Congress members. 

Yes...there could be something to what they say but I'd feel more convinced with some verifiable HD video, photos and LIVE reports from the scene.

2 hours ago, Fielder said:

 

I sincerely hope that you are not correct on this issue, Martin. 

 

In what respect.

I said that I sincerely hoped body language experts weren't allowed to take the stand because its often subjective. 

Did you just read my first sentence? 

 

Edited June 18, 20232 yr by martin-w