14 minutes ago, Kaboki said:

Lol, so true, forgot that the xbox version even exist:p

Even on pc, I’m willing to bet more people are interested in the Dune thopters than historical weather…. This is an echo chamber, not the typical user base.

3 hours ago, Alvega said:

I don't see any hate, I see some saying they don't need it and others saying they need it. If anything I see some of those who need it having some trouble accepting the opinion of those who don't need it, but no hate.

Totally.

What i see is people who are tenacious in a 'want-list' for msfs at some point. And historical weather does come up a lot,

Reading the scenarios that get posted, i still only have about 3 or 4 out of 10 interest in it. In the same way many have 2/10 interest in cabin announcements and that sort of thing. Its a diverse and subjective hobby in a way and that is ok.

1 hour ago, Kaboki said:

If anything, what I see is the opposite, those that want it have perfectly good reasons for wanting it, and those that dont need it really dont have any good arguments on why we dont need it, except «waste» resources that could be well spent making e.g Dune DLC’s and other fantasy word not allowed that nobody wants….

Like @ShawnG, I and I believe most who say they don't need this, also backed the request for it on the official forums. You seem to think everyone who say they don't need it are against the feature being implemented, which definitely is not the case. Many of us are fighting for you, be happy.

The suggestion made earlier in this thread that you really only need weather for the past 24 hours so that you can fly in time appropriate weather is very reasonable.  However I doubt that it will ever happen simply because it does not fit with the interests/desires whatever of their prime gamer user base.

Bruce

4 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

As for your second thought, you might be suprised that it is colder at night than at day, which means I will never have hot temps when I fly in Asia because I usually fly when it's 3 am over there.

Really, never?  Not ever.

So you're saying that if I pull a year or two of climo data, I'll never find a heat wave where it's hot at night?   😉

I'm not saying I never say a dumb thing, but I do usually think my thoughts through regarding weather.  My background is climate science and I've been a professional aviator for almost 30 years.  

It does, indeed, occasionally get hot at night.  Conversely, it does indeed sometimes get cool during the day!  😁

On 6/20/2023 at 5:46 PM, Fiorentoni said:

The reasons are very clear, aren't they? If you simulate a flight that does not take place at your real time (e.g. you only sim late in the evening, but want to have daylight), the weather will not fit. It might be cold as the night even though it's day in your sim, you might never ever encounter time-specific weather phenomena like thunderstorms (tend to be in the evening) or haze/fog (tend to be in the morning) which does kind of limit the possibilites of the simulator.
E.g. me simming in Europe in the evening I will never ever be able to fly on a hot Australian noon - because it will always be 3 o'clock in the night over there.

Dont know why you have to explain this to folks.  This is the exact reason I need it. I can't flight until late at night in most cases. 

55 minutes ago, Stearmandriver said:

Really, never?  Not ever.

So you're saying that if I pull a year or two of climo data, I'll never find a heat wave where it's hot at night?   😉

I'm not saying I never say a dumb thing, but I do usually think my thoughts through regarding weather.  My background is climate science and I've been a professional aviator for almost 30 years.  

It does, indeed, occasionally get hot at night.  Conversely, it does indeed sometimes get cool during the day!  😁

True enough. Asia is big, lol. Lattitudes vary from maybe 6 south to maybe 76 north, . 

Edited June 22, 20232 yr by icewater5

1 hour ago, brucewtb said:

However I doubt that it will ever happen simply because it does not fit with the interests/desires whatever of their prime gamer user base.

I really don't think this is accurate; they have incorporated all kinds of things that casual users likely do not care much for -- the introduction of METARs being one of many, many examples. Asobo seems to be genuinely trying to cater to a long continuum of users, from the very casual at one end to the ones dedicated to fidelity on the other. They must do both to keep the sim attractive to as wide an audience as possible to keep it financially viable and I think it is not an easy task to balance the different interests and wants.. And personally I give them credit for doing a good job here.

In the case of historical weather, it is almost certainly an architectural issue that is not easy to overcome. They developed MSFS to tap into a global weather model generated by Metroblue that provided for native, dynamic weather; and that is not something you can keep historical versions of because of its enormous size, or easily stream different versions of  to every user who sets a different time. I think it is a technical challenge that limited the possibility for historic weather. But, what they did is a revolutionary in contrast to P3D, which only downloads a few parameters to generate local weather around a user's position; smoothing that weather as they transition from reporting station to reporting station. I infinitely enjoy the weather of MSFS over the old Active Sky -- I say Active Sky because P3D basically has no atmosphere or weather natively -- even with all its limitations and problems MSFS is still better than anything I have used in the last nearly 30 years. 

They have admitted they did not consider historical weather when they designed the sim. I don't take the position that they are thus idiots, just that they did not anticipate the desire of some users for this feature. A flight simulator platform is enormously complex and it is going to take years of iterative development for it to get where we all want it to be. Personally, I am enjoying the ride.

3 hours ago, Cognita said:

In the case of historical weather, it is almost certainly an architectural issue that is not easy to overcome.

You have very well summed up the problematic. I have no illusion about the MSFS team capacity to listen to users  in general but, in this particular case, I also think it is deep rooted in the weather engine as it was designed in the beginning.

Also, MB as I understand it, is a global predictive engine, it makes a beautiful weather, better than what we had before,  but may not lend itself to keep archives ?

Here is an interesting take about the weather during the different parts of the day : http://www.theweatherprediction.com/wx&timeofday/

 

EDIT : I have to correct myself . I did a little search and MeteoBlue actually has historical weather archives !

 history+ | Weather History & Archive - meteoblue

The plot thickens, would MS be too stingy to  pay 😱 😄 ?

Edited June 22, 20232 yr by Dominique_K

Never used it lol just flew what was live.

Never used Live Weather lol just flew Historical Weather.

7 hours ago, brucewtb said:

The suggestion made earlier in this thread that you really only need weather for the past 24 hours so that you can fly in time appropriate weather is very reasonable. 

Which comes to show that even those who really would love to see historical weather are not on the same page! 😉 My personal interest in historic weather mainly has to do with being able to fly in other seasons with the appropriate (changing!) weather. So a 24 hours solution wouldn't be of much use to me. 😉 After using MSFS since it's release I don't really care about flying with night time weather at day time anymore... The weather looks awesome anyway. And I do like how NOT being able to choose your preferred weather keeps things surprising and entertaining! 😉 No, it's the season I'd like to change: after flying over snow in Norway for weeks and weeks I'd simply like to fly there with summer textures and summer weather (good or bad) every now and then.

On 6/20/2023 at 5:11 PM, Bobsk8 said:

In many decades of simming I have used it about 5 times at most. 

I've been at this since the 80s and this is a feature that I would never use. I like flying in real weather in real time. But, it would be nice to have the option for those who would like to use it.

I haven't seen a single poster in this thread acknowledge that the answer to this problem doesn't necessarily have to be a difficult to implement  "historic weather" system, but rather a "dynamic weather" generator could work just fine - in fact, even better. So long as it could generate a fake forecast which could be uploaded into a flight planner (currently unlike Rex Weather Force 'Presets'), would be able to simulate changing conditions in take-off and landing regions, night and day conditions, changes in winter and summer weather, storm or clear skies, etc.. And certainly include "random" and "unpredictable change %" switches for variety, and weather radar capability in the engine to fill out the bill. I really do fail to see how this kind of feature would be that difficult to build (at least if you had full access to the MSFS code).

You quit playing the game just because of that?

Its a fantastic title, why miss out completely because of "historical" weather?

You can config the weather any way you want so that close to arrive just take a minute to place the clouds and wind where you want them.