28 minutes ago, d.tsakiris said:

I really don't know if that's true. Enough people here stating they are still using older versions. I'm still on 5.3 HF2, and at the moment I'm on the fence concerning 5.4, as my sim works fine...

A few do not update at all. Mostly the “older” simmer who does not want to “start over” with updating the sim and Addons. 
The majority did (see all P3D update threads ).

If you are happy with what you have than that’s all that counts but you are way behind in the P3D development…

Edited June 26, 20232 yr by GSalden

3 minutes ago, GSalden said:

The majority did

Maybe. Who knows? Maybe LM could provide such information if P3D were to "phone home" on start-up, but short of a data collection of that sort, I wouldn't be so fast to state that "the majority" did. That goes for commercial users as well, probably even more so.

3 minutes ago, GSalden said:

you are way behind

I'm behind one minor version...

18 minutes ago, d.tsakiris said:

Maybe. Who knows? Maybe LM could provide such information if P3D were to "phone home" on start-up, but short of a data collection of that sort, I wouldn't be so fast to state that "the majority" did. That goes for commercial users as well, probably even more so.

I'm behind one minor version...

The difference between 5.3 and 5.4 is big :

https://fselite.net/content/lockheed-martin-releases-prepar3d-v5-4/

You really are way behind.

Edited June 26, 20232 yr by GSalden

28 minutes ago, GSalden said:

The difference between 5.3 and 5.4 is big :

https://fselite.net/content/lockheed-martin-releases-prepar3d-v5-4/

You really are way behind.

Now, this is extremely offtopic and I apologise in advance for that. How is the 'upgrade path' from 5.3 to 5.4? 

Love my PMDG big-birds in P3D to be honest and wonder if it is worth the hassle to upgrade (5.3 works very well for me). 

Edited June 26, 20232 yr by Swe_Richard
grammar like a pre-schooler.

I can’t move to 5.4 until Cpt Pero has released SimStarterNG for that version.

Looking through that extensive list of fixes I see nothing compelling. And with v6 about to be released we have to wait for the 3rd parties to update their products for that.

Thank goodness it’s summer with decent weather. I haven’t flown much in the last month.

54 minutes ago, Swe_Richard said:

Now, this is extremely offtopic and I apologise in advance for that. How is the 'upgrade path' from 5.3 to 5.4? 

Love my PMDG big-birds in P3D to be honest and wonder if it is worth the hassle to upgrade (5.3 works very well for me). 

Dead simple. Just delete Client and replace. Then download updated add-ons. All works fine for me.

1 hour ago, d.tsakiris said:

...That goes for commercial users as well, probably even more so...

That goes for users that don't want to pay again their addons, don't want to fiddle with the sim instead of practicing, but are happy with a (mostly 😐) stable system (P3D V4.5).

What you say may be true for the military users too and I believe these together with the commercial users as the biggest group of P3D customers. I imagine commercial and military users aren't interested a lot in high resolution clouds and exact airports and all these home user wishes but in a stable system as time wasted for troubleshooting is wasted money.

And no one tells me a new release comes withoutnew problems: he may look at the LM support forums 😁

3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I can’t move to 5.4 until Cpt Pero has released SimStarterNG for that version.

Cpt Pero offers a fix in the support forum to make it V5.4 compatible. Works well!

Edited June 26, 20232 yr by Flyfox

51 minutes ago, Flyfox said:

Cpt Pero offers a fix in the support forum to make it V5.4 compatible. Works well!

My understanding was it was a quick fix rather than a permanent one. But if it’s stable that clears me for 5.4. Thanks.

3 hours ago, IanHarrison said:

Dead simple. Just delete Client and replace. Then download updated add-ons. All works fine for me.

Uninstall of course Ian, rather than delete. 😉 And opt to retain your licence.

41 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Uninstall of course Ian, rather than delete. 😉 And opt to retain your licence.

Quite right. Got a bit carried away there.

Hi iFlyers,

.....

No, the NG/MAX is not compatible with Prepar3D v6.

It requires a rework of the model, textures, effects, gauge displays, PBR and more.

We are currently in development with the MAX for MSFS 2020, as you are aware, that is our main focus now.

We plan to make the NG/MAX compatible with v6 but MSFS 2020 takes precedence.

We cannot provide a timeline for the P3D v6 compatibility or if this would be a paid upgrade at this time.

 

This has me slightly "concerned". Back compatibility is not a given and this is a stark reminder. If the Max is not compatible (it is a new product), a lot of other addons, some of which might be older, won't be compatible, for sure. I have no info, but surely, if the IFly Max is not compatible, then the PMDG or QW aircraft and others won't be compatible.

Similar to other devs, he clearly states P3D is now at the bottom of their to do list.... The amount of work he quotes is worrying, it seems to be a lot of stuff. Will it take too much time/too many resources to do the update along with the work they do for the MSFS version? We may simply have to wait until after the MSFS Max version is released to see the Max in v6. How long it will be is anyone's guess....A paid upgrade is likely. This might be what happens as well with other devs: we may have to wait and then pay.

Without any of the current addons, it pains me to say P3D v6 in itself is useless, let's be honest. Nobody is using P3D as it is....

 

Edited June 26, 20232 yr by fnav77

Posted yesterday at 02:48 PM

  On 6/25/2023 at 2:35 PM, stephen speak said:

Apparently from what I’ve read..V6 is supposed to be backwards compatible..so FSLabs shouldn’t really have much of an issue..just the usual update when a new update is released..

 

Andrew Wilson (from FsLabs) answer: No, this is quite incorrect. We are not permitted to discuss any further.

 

So basically, FsLabs said the same except that they didn't say that msfs is a top priority over a P3D v6 update.

No words yet from PMDG, neither from scenery makers.

Anyway, seems that updating most products from 5.0 to 6.0 will require much more works than just the usual updates. Not encouraging to say the least.

So I was at the conference and there were several questions posed to Chris about backwards compatibility.  He stated that anything that works in V5 will work in V6.  The only downside is that AC that don't take advantage of some of the new lighting effects / etc. may not look as good as they could with all of the changes.

Unless these vendors are hard coding something to make them version dependent this just seems odd unless ifly doesn't want their product to 'look' sub-quality in the new version.

My thoughts, come July when V6 comes out you can always give it a try and see what happens at a relatively low cost considering you can try V6 for free for a short period of time.

 

Considering the latest NG as well as the 737Max were designed by IFly to be used with EA on in version five no surprise it is not compatible with version six. Not so the FSL and PMDG productions. As far as PMDG we P3D users are by all evidence history as far as updates or new products. They still haven't bought the DC6 to V5 after saying they would three years ago. Most who want it have used the little "fool the installer" trick though PMDG said they will not give support. So backward compatibility from any complex addon other then perhaps some sceneries is not something I expect. If in the weeks ahead I find I am wrong, then I will joyfully consider version six. But not jumping right away.