Frankly, it is time for all of you to let it go. I can't begin to describe how annoying it is to read a thread that I am interested in, only to have to trawl through pages of mindless waffle like this.

15 minutes ago, PavlinS said:

If you actually read my signature you would know that I am not targeting any sim you imagine.

Well I read your signature. I’ve had every version of P3d since version 2.0 right up to the current version 6.0 release of yesterday so yes I can imagine. Good luck, you’re gonna need it. 
 

Just now, Christopher Low said:

Frankly, it is time for all of you to let it go. I can't begin to describe how annoying it is to read a thread that I am interested in, only to have to trawl through pages of mindless waffle like this.

Yep. Agree

Okay, I apologize. This last one was not needed. Anyway, happy for v6 and I intend to buy it when I can. 

Edited July 4, 20232 yr by PavlinS
overstepped. Sorry.

26 minutes ago, Franschhoek said:

Instead of offering what they have spent a lot of money producing, at reduced rates to those still using P3d, in order to minimise whatever loss selling none of them will incur, they prefer to sell none, rather than offer them a reduced rates, which is kind of spiteful.

Ever heard of Occam's Razor? The simplest answer is the most likely one. It's way more likely that developers don't have a reason to reduce prices or simply aren't thinking of it. But it's natural for people to assume the worst and deem the most complex answer the most likely, in this case developers sticking to prices out of spite, which really doesn't make any sense.

26 minutes ago, Franschhoek said:

But they will need continual growth, that is more and more people buying it to maintain the cost of its continued existance. Perhaps one should consider just how much server space, bandwidth and data costs it takes to run this sim every day, every month and in the years to come. They are going to need milions of sales every year just to cover their costs, never mind making a profit.

I'm reluctant to get into this since this is still not the MSFS forum, but I'll quickly say that we've been over this many times and MS literally owns the servers and runs its entire company on it, including AI programs. The bandwidth and costs of MSFS are a drop in the ocean.

Edited July 4, 20232 yr by Nixoq
Typo

26 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

When blatant misinformation and/or conjecturing is called out I suppose that does not "belong" in this thread according to you... sure thing 🙂

Methinks you need to look in th emirror and start pointing your fingers in that direction. Nothing i said was misinformation. And what you are calling conjecturing is really progressive forecasting of future viability. Its a prognosis based on a diagnosis of common sense that the latest fad never lasts forr very long. It based on human nature that the mases that follow after that which is popular now will always abandon ship for what will be popular tomorrow.

The economic facts are that MSFS will need millions of new sales every year just to break even and pay the huge cost of millions of terbytes of data flowing through their servers, the whole data centres requried to house the servers and store the data, the continual and frequent mandatory updates promised for 10 years. They are entirely dependant on continual new sales throughout there future existance.

P3d on the other hand has never been dependant of sales, is not depndant on sales now, nor will be in the future. It is subsidised by military budgets, by sales of fighter jets and stealth bombers and the smart missiles that are attached to them. Therefore it will remain where others will fall due to market forces.

4 minutes ago, Franschhoek said:

The economic facts are that MSFS will need millions of new sales every year just to break even and pay the huge cost of millions of terbytes of data flowing through their servers, the whole data centres requried to house the servers and store the data, the continual and frequent mandatory updates promised for 10 years. They are entirely dependant on continual new sales throughout there future existance.

Not accurate, see above.

31 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Frankly, it is time for all of you to let it go. I can't begin to describe how annoying it is to read a thread that I am interested in, only to have to trawl through pages of mindless waffle like this.

I’ve started muting people. Some folks have truly lost it over a software application.

3 minutes ago, Nixoq said:

I'm relcuctant to get into this since this is still not the MSFS forum, but I'll quickly say that we've been over this many times and MS literally owns the servers and runs its entire company on it, including AI programs. The bandwidth and costs of MSFS are a drop in the ocean.

Crumbs! if you think that microsoft don't pay for the servers, pay for their maintenance, dont pay for the data sent over third party lines or even their own lines, don't pay for the data centres, the electricity, the staff who maintain it, the third party contractors down to the tea boy who serves the tea, then I don't know what to say to you. Perhaps you think its all free for them!

1 minute ago, Franschhoek said:

Crumbs! if you think that microsoft don't pay for the servers, pay for their maintenance, dont pay for the data sent over third party lines or even their own lines, don't pay for the data centres, the electricity, the staff who maintain it, the third party contractors down to the tea boy who serves the tea, then I don't know what to say to you. Perhaps you think its all free for them!

God, I did not say even a single thing of what you listed here. You just called someone else out for twisting your words. I said in comparison to running the entire company, the costs associated with MSFS are miniscule to that of running the entire shop that is Microsoft on the servers.

This isn't about P3D though and it's getting heated yet again, so I'll leave it at that.

37 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Frankly, it is time for all of you to let it go. I can't begin to describe how annoying it is to read a thread that I am interested in, only to have to trawl through pages of mindless waffle like this.

Yes Christopher, it is time to let it go. it is 12am where I am and so I am off to bed.

I too came to this thread wanting to find out about version 6 and whether it is feasible to buy. All I found was my sim is better than your sim from the "other sim crowd" all very pleased that most developers will not be updating to version 6 etc etc. Somebody had to say something and give a dose of reality. Sorry that you found it mindless waffle and I annoyed you. I usually don't ever comment at all.

Cheers

6 minutes ago, Nixoq said:

God, I did not say even a single thing of what you listed here. You just called someone else out for twisting your words. I said in comparison to running the entire company, the costs associated with MSFS are miniscule to that of running the entire shop that is Microsoft on the servers.

This isn't about P3D though and it's getting heated yet again, so I'll leave it at that.

Sure, my apologies. Thanks for pointing that out. Cheers

1 minute ago, Franschhoek said:

Sure, my apologies. Thanks for pointing that out. Cheers

Thanks, no worries. Times are pretty turbulent in the forums right now.

1 hour ago, Franschhoek said:

Instead of offering what they have spent a lot of money producing, at reduced rates to those still using P3d, in order to minimise whatever loss selling none of them will incur, they prefer to sell none, rather than offer them a reduced rates, which is kind of spiteful.

Agreed.  I've posted about this before, but I'm glad someone else has chimed in.

It makes no sense for developers who have all but abandoned P3D to have P3D products sitting on their servers and not sell them at a discount.  They've clearly stopped development for P3D, so why not at least make some profit from those old products you don't support any more rather than none at all.

Milviz went even further and just gave their P3D stuff away for free.

My opinion is that these developers are just being greedy.

Dave

Does anyone else find it odd that there are no screenshots of P3Dv6 posted in the screenshot forum or in the P3D forum? Usually when a new version hits the market there are screenshots everywhere.