4 minutes ago, mwilk said:

Does anyone else find it odd that there are no screenshots of P3Dv6 posted in the screenshot forum or in the P3D forum? Usually when a new version hits the market there are screenshots everywhere.

The avsim screenshot forum has basically turned into the MSFS screenshot forum. With the occasional FS9 and FSX screenshots it's all MSFS now.

This tells you about how low interest in this version is... I have been looking for some. The only YouTube videos I found were Adam Pestridge's. 

2 hours ago, mwilk said:

Does anyone else find it odd that there are no screenshots of P3Dv6 posted in the screenshot forum or in the P3D forum? Usually when a new version hits the market there are screenshots everywhere.

Yes, I find that mind-boggling as well. I spent a good part of today deliberately searching the web for v6 screenshots, but to no avail. That tells me a lot.

 

1 hour ago, BostonJeremy77 said:

This tells you about how low interest in this version is... I have been looking for some. The only YouTube videos I found were Adam Pestridge's. 

Likewise, v6 video on YouTube is almost completely absent, except for the lovely introductory trailer.

3 hours ago, BostonJeremy77 said:

This tells you about how low interest in this version is... I have been looking for some. The only YouTube videos I found were Adam Pestridge's. 

Adam is the last 'Big supporter' out there - sometimes chaotic, a bit blinded by P3D but enthusiastic as no one else 🙂

5 hours ago, dave2013 said:

Agreed.  I've posted about this before, but I'm glad someone else has chimed in.

It makes no sense for developers who have all but abandoned P3D to have P3D products sitting on their servers and not sell them at a discount.  They've clearly stopped development for P3D, so why not at least make some profit from those old products you don't support any more rather than none at all.

Milviz went even further and just gave their P3D stuff away for free.

My opinion is that these developers are just being greedy.

Dave

Nonsense! It's greedy to expect others to give away property. Some people have such a sense of entitlement that it's unbelievable. 

Concerning screen shots: It's only been a day or two. People are still figuring out, with little to no help from developers, what works and what doesn't. Besides: There's much more to a sim than only visuals...

9 hours ago, Franschhoek said:

Methinks you need to look in th emirror and start pointing your fingers in that direction. Nothing i said was misinformation. And what you are calling conjecturing is really progressive forecasting of future viability. Its a prognosis based on a diagnosis of common sense that the latest fad never lasts forr very long. It based on human nature that the mases that follow after that which is popular now will always abandon ship for what will be popular tomorrow.

The economic facts are that MSFS will need millions of new sales every year just to break even and pay the huge cost of millions of terbytes of data flowing through their servers, the whole data centres requried to house the servers and store the data, the continual and frequent mandatory updates promised for 10 years. They are entirely dependant on continual new sales throughout there future existance.

P3d on the other hand has never been dependant of sales, is not depndant on sales now, nor will be in the future. It is subsidised by military budgets, by sales of fighter jets and stealth bombers and the smart missiles that are attached to them. Therefore it will remain where others will fall due to market forces.

Please don't make up facts which you do not know.  MSFS runs on Azure.  Microsoft owns Azure so for Microsoft, it's cheap to run MSFS. Here is a post from neilhewitt, who is a P3D user and whose employer was large scale user of Azure, and neilhewitt had in depth knowledge of Azure as a client and what Azure cost his company:

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@abrams_tank has it right. Bandwidth is super cheap right now. There is a boatload of unused fibre out there. Even with 2 million users all hitting the CDN for MSFS at the same time with 100Mbps+ connections, I doubt it's more than a blip on the Azure traffic radar. Server hardware is a fairly small % of the cost of building and maintaining the cloud, too (networking gear is much more expensive); the scale that Azure and AWS (and even GCP) work at is so mind-bogglingly big that having even a few thousand VMs dedicated to running the MSFS back-end is not a top-10 workload for Azure. Nowhere near. If you or I were doing it it would cost a few million a year, but for Microsoft it's much much less than that. 

Further to what neilhewitt said, there has been an add-on that streams Google earth/maps data to MSFS for about two years now. Google has not shut this down and allows that MSFS add-on to continue to stream this. If it were a huge strain on the Google servers and cost Google a lot of money, Google would have shut down the streaming to that add-on a long time ago.

Either way, I think Neilhewitt knows what he is talking about, since Azure was part of his job responsibilities (plus Neilhewitt was a P3D user) . If you want to discuss this in the MSFS forum, I would be happy to create a new thread so we can discuss it there.

Edited July 5, 20232 yr by abrams_tank

On 7/4/2023 at 12:02 AM, ZLA Steve said:

On 7/3/2023 at 11:59 PM, Manny Ortiz said:

Get the personal or professional? 

Personal for fun

it's illegal to have fun with it, and obviously early adopters complied and do not feel entertained very well. 😊

"1.    License Grant.  The license grant that applies is based on the type of license purchased by Licensee"

"for purposes other than personal/consumer entertainment."

https://secure.prepar3d.com/solo/products/LicenseAgreement.aspx?ProdOptionID=1130

Edited July 5, 20232 yr by turbomax

3 hours ago, YukonPete said:

Nonsense! It's greedy to expect others to give away property. Some people have such a sense of entitlement that it's unbelievable. 

What's nonsense? Ever heard of a thing called a sale, closing down sale, end of product sale etc. Companies do it all the time!

After seeing this video of v6, I realize just how outdated P3D looks in 2023.

The default planes sound terrible and all the ORBX visual products installed would be absolutely mandatory for any satisfaction in v6 at this point.

I would need all of my 3rd party addons to work in v6 to find any enjoyment and cover up the outdated default FSX  looks as much as possible.

 

Edited July 5, 20232 yr by blueshark747

16 minutes ago, blueshark747 said:

After seeing this video of v6, I realize just how outdated P3D looks in 2023.

The default planes sound terrible and all the ORBX visual products installed would be absolutely mandatory for any satisfaction in v6 at this point.

I would need all of my 3rd party addons to work in v6 to find any enjoyment and cover up the outdated default FSX  looks as much as possible.

 

That looks incredibly bad for a SIM coming out in 2023.

Hmm.. well.. My 5.4 looks better than that. He surely must have all settings quite far to the left?

21 minutes ago, Swe_Richard said:

Hmm.. well.. My 5.4 looks better than that. He surely must have all settings quite far to the left?

That's what I was going to say.

Does EIDW have two runways in v6?

6 minutes ago, Juliet Alpha said:

Does EIDW have two runways in v6?

Just checked, it doesn't have the new runway