Took the survey and answered every question (took about 15 mins) and I gave positive feedback to all main 3 sims. No Bias here.

In this thread and the one in MSFS 2020 forum there is mention of the ejector seat question. Apparently there is some sort of humor associated with it. Is it because one or two of these work much better than others at the different price levels? As long as it throws you clear, it's done the job, it seems to me.

Hmmmmm... I got the impression the questions varied a bit based on the answers to previous choices.....?

15 hours ago, BobFS88 said:

It is you who should worry about what those whom out number you, who don't care about such things like flight modeling or other things pertaining to flight navigation and planning, who just want to fly around and put in that survey that would undermined the things that you want or care about. If that is you want more study level aircraft and ever improving flight models of the aircraft that you already have or anything else they plan to put into that 2024 release that's important to flight does not get priorities down from where it is now.

Pray tell how did you come to this ingenious conclusion lol? Firstly there's the laughable yet oh-so-predictable talking point that those who "don't care about such things like flight modeling or other things pertaining to flight navigation and planning" outnumber those who do (and by "outnumber you" I assume you're talking about MSFS users 🙂 ). But let's for the sake of amusement go with your bogus assertion.. anyone with half a brain should realize that most of people who take the Navigraph survey are the kind who absolutely *do* care about such things.

Oh, and in fact we know this from last year's survey: https://download.navigraph.com/docs/flightsim-community-survey-by-navigraph-2022-final.pdf

Section 3.8.2: What are the important factors to you when choosing a flight simulator:
Top two answers: 
Realistic aerodynamic model - 95%
Realistic world graphics - 90%

Section 3.8.1: Simulator platform preference (looking at the just the "most of the time" + "frequently" answers):
Top 5 answers:
MSFS 2020 (PC): 65 %
XP 11.5: 16 %
XP 12: 10%
P3D 5: 10%
DCS World: 10%

Hmmm real-world data seems to be contradicting certain narratives yet again, fancy that. Good thing then a great bulk of quality/reputable 3rd party devs have indeed used this valuable survey data to keep pumping out more and more high fidelity aircraft of all types for MSFS, to the point where we can even say we are spoiled for choice now. Ya, I'm not worrying about a mythical group of users who don't care about flight fidelity "outnumbering us", but even if they do, thankfully MSFS is broad enough in what it offers to cater to both their needs and ours. Also, more simmers (of any type), the merrier for MSFS 🙂 
 

Edited November 18, 20232 yr by lwt1971

8 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

Top 5 answers:
MSFS 2020 (PC): 65 %
XP 11.5: 16 %
XP 12: 10%
P3D 5: 10%
DCS World: 10%

That should add up to 100% but I make it 111%. 🤔

10 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

That should add up to 100% but I make it 111%. 🤔

Might want to read the actual survey report to understand how they're posing the question and collecting the data. This is not a mutually exclusive choice where all answers would obviously add up to 100%. They gave the opportunity for people to give an answer of "most of the time", "frequently", "sometimes", "infrequently", "never" for *multiple* sims. So for *each* sim the total of those categories add to 100%.

Edited November 18, 20232 yr by lwt1971

1 hour ago, lwt1971 said:

Pray tell how did you come to this ingenious conclusion lol? Firstly there's the laughable yet oh-so-predictable talking point that those who "don't care about such things like flight modeling or other things pertaining to flight navigation and planning" outnumber those who do (and by "outnumber you" I assume you're talking about MSFS users 🙂 ). But let's for the sake of amusement go with your bogus assertion.. anyone with half a brain should realize that most of people who take the Navigraph survey are the kind who absolutely *do* care about such things.

Oh, and in fact we know this from last year's survey: https://download.navigraph.com/docs/flightsim-community-survey-by-navigraph-2022-final.pdf

Section 3.8.2: What are the important factors to you when choosing a flight simulator:
Top two answers: 
Realistic aerodynamic model - 95%
Realistic world graphics - 90%

Section 3.8.1: Simulator platform preference (looking at the just the "most of the time" + "frequently" answers):
Top 5 answers:
MSFS 2020 (PC): 65 %
XP 11.5: 16 %
XP 12: 10%
P3D 5: 10%
DCS World: 10%

Hmmm real-world data seems to be contradicting certain narratives yet again, fancy that. Good thing then a great bulk of quality/reputable 3rd party devs have indeed used this valuable survey data to keep pumping out more and more high fidelity aircraft of all types for MSFS, to the point where we can even say we are spoiled for choice now. Ya, I'm not worrying about a mythical group of users who don't care about flight fidelity "outnumbering us", but even if they do, thankfully MSFS is broad enough in what it offers to cater to both their needs and ours. Also, more simmers (of any type), the merrier for MSFS 🙂 
 

Can't you have a civil discussion with people who simply have a different point of view than you?  Do you have to be so condescending ("Half a brain")?  Does everything have to be an argument or a debate?  If you have a different point of view, correct them if you have to.  Explain things to them.  Maybe there can be 2 sides to an argument.

There isn't a single person in flight simming who will say MSFS isn't the most popular platform.  Does that mean everyone MUST use the most popular platform?  Do people who use an alternative, or even disagree with you, deserve to be insulted or mocked?  I promise you, you’re not that influential or important  

By the way, how many "final nails" are in X-Plane's and P3D's coffin?  A few hundred?

Edited November 18, 20232 yr by GoranM

13 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

Might want to read the actual survey report to understand how they're posing the question and collecting the data.

I don’t have the interest. I just looked at the numbers you posted and responded accordingly.

42 minutes ago, GoranM said:

Can't you have a civil discussion to people who simply have a different point of view than you?  Do you have to be so condescending ("Half a brain")?  Does everything have to be an argument or a debate?

There isn't a single person in flight simming who will say MSFS isn't the most popular platform.  Does that mean everyone MUST use the most popular platform?  Do people who use an alternative, or even disagree with you, deserve to be insulted or mocked?  

Calm down lol and try sticking to the point rather than talking besides it or conflating other things. Where did I (or anyone here so far) say "everyone MUST use the most popular platform", or *just* because they use an alternative platform they deserve to be mocked?? I responded to this particular assertion by BobFS: "It is you who should worry about what those whom out number you, who don't care about such things like flight modeling or other things pertaining to flight navigation and planning, who just want to fly around and put in that survey that would undermined the things that you want or care about" which frankly is nonsense, especially given last year's Navigraph survey which says completely otherwise.

And you seem to be rather fixated on the "final nails" stuff, I definitely haven't mentioned that nor has anyone else here so far 🤷‍♂️
 

Edited November 18, 20232 yr by lwt1971

Dial it back gents...there's no need for the sneering tone and intrigue when discussing a friggin' survey.

For those living in these Sceptered Isles, in the drop-down list of countries, the 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' is sandwiched between Gabon and Grenada.

Having said that, I stopped because of the irrelevant personal questions. Number of people in my household? Other hobbies? Life's too short.

Edited November 18, 20232 yr by Petraeus
Because I stopped two questions later.

2 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

I responded to this particular assertion by BobFS: "It is you who should worry about what those whom out number you, who don't care about such things like flight modeling or other things pertaining to flight navigation and planning, who just want to fly around and put in that survey that would undermined the things that you want or care about" which frankly is nonsense, especially given last year's Navigraph survey which says completely otherwise.

Here is your answer, You don't have to take my word as gospel but from your own cohoat who tell on themselves with the truth that you love to deny every time someone post one of these so called assertions. 

8 hours ago, F737MAX said:

Not everyone on Xbox (or PC for that matter) is looking for a 'study level'/all singing, all dancing aircraft. Something above the level of Asobo default and LatinVFR, but below the level of PMDG 737 or Fenix A320 is where most of the user base is. I mean out of the "3 million MSFS core users" how many actually want and use simulated failures?

For every post on here bemoaning the lack of functioning CBs or aircraft handling with an engine out, there are 10 on social media asking if an airliner has a weather radar, how realistic are the sounds, and if VNAV works properly.

 He said 3 million out what, 10 million that you guys liked to bragg about? When you have people making these statements, what else can you conclude from that and if what I said bother you that much, then it must be true.   

As I told Krakin, we are going to be just fine, it is your sim that has to show the long lasting impression among your users in 2024, not what I have to say about. 😁

4 minutes ago, BobFS88 said:

He said 3 million out what, 10 million that you guys liked to bragg about? When you have people making these statements,

Why are you quoting me from an entirely different thread unrelated in subject matter to this one?

Seems like you are being argumentative for the sheer sake of it.

2 hours ago, BobFS88 said:

Here is your answer, You don't have to take my word as gospel but from your own cohoat who tell on themselves with the truth that you love to deny every time someone post one of these so called assertions. 

 He said 3 million out what, 10 million that you guys liked to bragg about? When you have people making these statements, what else can you conclude from that and if what I said bother you that much, then it must be true.   

As I told Krakin, we are going to be just fine, it is your sim that has to show the long lasting impression among your users in 2024, not what I have to say about. 😁

We are talking about this specific Navigraph survey, of which a great majority of participants are of the Serious Simmer ™️ kind. Your assertion was that "we" should be worried about them allegedly not caring about flight fidelity and therefore somehow polluting the survey and then somehow impacting the focus on those factors in sim/add-ons development (which it hasn't).. to which I pointed out last year's survey whose great majority of folk chose aerodynamics as the #1 factor in a sim and *also* chose MSFS as their main sim, thereby contradicting what you're trying to imply. That's all... and now you're going on about "cohorts" and "us" and "you guys" etc etc which I don't care to respond to 🙄 (it's great that you seem to have your eyes glued to the MSFS forum and all its threads though lol).
 

Edited November 18, 20232 yr by lwt1971

6 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

Why are you quoting me from an entirely different thread unrelated in subject matter to this one?

Subject of discuss is within the context of  my statement " It is you who should worry about what those whom out number you, who don't care about such things like flight modeling or other things pertaining to flight navigation and planning, who just want to fly around and put in that survey that would undermined the things that you want or care about"

It was one example of a statement I found that fit this narrative, unless now want to deny that it no longer at true that you said publicly?  However you are not the only who made such statement. It has nothing against the sim itself, it just speculation on how some perceive their use of the sim.

I am not the one auguring for the sake of it.