41 minutes ago, MDFlier said:

That's only because none of the other forums have knuckleheads dropping in on a regular basis with the sole intent of polluting the threads.

I agree but the OP totally invited it. It happens all the time. Same for next year when our MSFS Fan Club feel the need to flex their muscles over some Blah? stats.

Edited December 27, 20232 yr by JBDB-MD80

 

1 hour ago, Rimshot said:

Sure, we could discuss which term would be more appropriate. But oh irony, how would you guys qualify yourself? Honestly, in general, just accept other people have divergent opinions, various preferences and therefor use another sim without disqualifying them as outcast. Very sad...

I agree with what you're saying, but I honestly think you're kind of missing the point. No one has an issue with anyone who just has a different opinion or preference. The issue is that there are people who intentionally post loaded comments without any actual merit or argue for ages to boost a narrative that's obviously confrontational. I'm not calling for anyone to be excluded here, but it's valid to question just how long you're going to tolerate this by treating it like it's just a different opinion.

 

1 hour ago, flying_carpet said:

Interestingly enough there is a post in this very subforum (see below), probably because there was a need for it - already around 6 months before release of MSFS 2020 ... In none of the other subforums at avsim there is such a post - probably because there was no need for it ... isn't it? 🤪

 

This is another loaded comment looking to stir the pot, and it's also ironic. The very reason this sticky thread was created was that back when MSFS was announced, there were people from the XP forum, but most dominantly a certain user, who would create and hijack threads blatantly making up wrong 'information' and arguments to the point of outright lying to discredit MSFS in every way possible before it was even out.

In the beginning I was of the same opinion - just ignore them and carry on. I changed my mind however when it became too much and I don't think anymore it's a constructive solution.

The irony is that you're trying to paint this as people in this forum not being able to deal with this, while people elsewhere don't need the advice, when the reality is that it was people from 'over there' that ignited the whole thing in the first place by showing some seriously questionable behavior for weeks.

Edited December 27, 20232 yr by threegreen

1 hour ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

I agree but the OP totally invited it. It happens all the time. Same for next year when our MSFS Fan Club feel the need to flex their muscles over some Blah? stats.

The last time a navigraph thread was made in here, the mods shipped it off to hangar chat. The title was worded in a way to avoid that happening again. In any case the title is not expressing an opinion,  it is stating an objective fact. If people can't live with it and feel the need to come in here and be willfully obtuse in order to try to downplay things, the problem is with them and not the OP.

2 hours ago, threegreen said:

The issue is that there are people who intentionally post loaded comments without any actual merit or argue for ages to boost a narrative that's obviously confrontational. I'm not calling for anyone to be excluded here, but it's valid to question just how long you're going to tolerate this by treating it like it's just a different opinion.

"Loaded comments? Without actual merit? Argue for ages? Boost a narrative that's confrontational? Tolerating it 'by treating it' as different opinion?"

To the mods: Please! Close these forums! What's the use? We can't handle it anymore! Stop it! What's this thing called discussion anyway? **** is a **** of **** because he called me a **** of ****. Mods, seriously, someone said something I don't like! Didn't you see that? Do something about it! We really have to stop arguing! Don't you know I'm always right? What did you think when you opened these these forums? Everybody was allowed to express an opinion? Oh really, everybody??! Why don't you see what I feel is best for everyone? Really!!?

Duh! 😘

@threegreen, general comment, but you made it easy

Edited December 28, 20232 yr by Rimshot

Disregard

Edited December 28, 20232 yr by Rimshot
Disregard

21 minutes ago, Rimshot said:

"Loaded comments? Without actual merit? Argue for ages? Boost a narrative that's confrontational? Tolerating it 'by treating it' as different opinion?"

To the mods: Please! Close these forums! What's the use? We can't handle it anymore! Stop it! What's this thing called discussion anyway? **** is a **** of **** because he called me a **** of ****. Mods, seriously, someone said something I don't like! Didn't you see that? Do something about it! We really have to stop arguing! Don't you know I'm always right? What did you think when you opened these these forums? Everybody was allowed to express an opinion? Oh really, everybody??! Why don't you see what I feel is best for everyone? Really!!?

Duh! 😘

What the heck is this? You posted some quality posts I agree with, but now you're just being part of the drama for no reason.

Holy cow man. Just when you thought the thread couldn't get weirder.

Edited December 28, 20232 yr by threegreen

3 hours ago, MDFlier said:

That's only because none of the other forums have knuckleheads dropping in on a regular basis with the sole intent of polluting the threads.

Knuckleheads?

I'm not calling him a knucklehead, but there's a few replies in the X-Plane forum right now, from someone criticizing it, with not a single argument.  

But you continue the name calling, if it makes you feel better.

@threegreen By all means, point me to a "loaded comment" I made, and let's at least TRY to have a discussion.

Edited December 28, 20232 yr by GoranM

3 minutes ago, GoranM said:

Knuckleheads?

I'm not calling him a knucklehead, but there's a few replies in the X-Plane forum right now, from someone criticizing it, with not a single argument.  

But you continue the name calling, if it makes you feel better.

Yeah... it's a common term on this side of the world. It's a slang term, referring to troublemakers, goofballs, Etc..

And I didn't call anybody names. It was referring to the people necessitating the need for that post. It had nothing to do with any particular individual in this thread or any other.

Strict, adherent moderation on AVSim was thrown out to the wind a long time ago. Solid, meaningful threads that become diluted with irrelevant and often personal words just seems the norm in this forum. Just sad content to see so many topics disintegrate!

 

17 minutes ago, threegreen said:

What the heck is this? You posted some quality posts I agree with, but now you're just being part of the drama for no reason.

Sorry, not directed at you personally. But I do feel your comments seem to call for an exclusion of others with a different opinion, which is quite common in these forums as well as in others. That's the drama as far as I'm concerned.

Edited December 28, 20232 yr by Rimshot

1 minute ago, MDFlier said:

it's a common term on this side of the world. It's a slang term, referring to troublemakers, goofballs, Etc..

I know what the term means.  But even the mods called it something else.  Just because you don't like something someone else posts, doesn't mean they're a knucklehead, troublemaker or a goofball.  Can't it just be someone you don't agree with?

I don't like it when people say Windows is better than Mac, and they go on about how great Windows is, and how much cheaper it is.  Doesn't mean one of us is a knucklehead?

I think you get my point.

9 minutes ago, GoranM said:

@threegreen By all means, point me to a "loaded comment" I made, and let's at least TRY to have a discussion.

I'm not talking about you with regards to loaded comments.

16 minutes ago, threegreen said:

I'm not talking about you with regards to loaded comments.

I just saw who you were quoting.  Apologies.

However, genuine question (can't believe I need to preface this post with that, due to some other people getting offended) but is he wrong?

I'm sim agnostic.  I own MSFS, X-Plane, P3D and DCS.  I've messed around with MSFS from a dev POV.  I've criticized all of them.  Here, these subforums, are where my criticisms are least welcome.  That's why I posted, admittedly, my (obviously) sarcastic comments a few pages back.  It was tongue in cheek, but there will always be a few people who get offended.  I mean, there's a person in here who got offended because someone else said M$F$, and demanded that person show the proper respect.  

I've seen some people, who will remain nameless, rip into MSFS regulars, I mean really tear them down, simply for posting a minor critique about it.

Edited December 28, 20232 yr by GoranM

4 minutes ago, Rimshot said:

Sorry, not directed at you personally, but I do feel your comments seem to call for an exclusion of others with a different opinion, which is quite common in these forums as well as in others. That's the drama as far as I'm concerned.

I mean, you quoted me. I have never called for anyone with a different opinion to be excluded. I have no issue with any other sim or their owners.

I do have an issue with comments that are disengenuous though and obviously confrontational. Nobody needs that. As for my post about the sticky thread, in that case, yes, a holiday would have been appropriate imho as some people were actually making up and spreading fake information to discredit another sim - for weeks. If you think that's just a different opinion we're going to have to agree to disagree there.