MSFS tops Navigraph 2023 survey results

[Greazer 1,353]

There was an interview with Austin a while back, maybe 5 or 6 years or so. And he said words to the effect XP had killed off Microsoft Flight Sim.  Well how that came back to bite.

[GoranM 3,811]

25 minutes ago, David Mills said:

I've seen some comments that the Navigraph survey was biased in favor of MSFS. But when looking at a list of survey sponsors, Microsoft and Asobo were not among them. Laminar and Lockheed-Martin, however, were indeed sponsors of the survey.

 

Sponsoring a survey has nothing to do with making it biased or unbiased.  Sponsoring is advertising.  Nothing more.  Nothing less.  It also helps the company, financially, when the advertising dollars come in.  

[GoranM 3,811]

24 minutes ago, Greazer said:

There was an interview with Austin a while back, maybe 5 or 6 years or so. And he said words to the effect XP had killed off Microsoft Flight Sim.  Well how that came back to bite.

I would love to see that original quote.  Because that's one hell of a quote to paraphrase or misquote.

Edited December 27, 2023 by GoranM

[Mike_CFII_MEL 823]

37 minutes ago, David Mills said:

I've seen some comments that the Navigraph survey was biased in favor of MSFS. But when looking at a list of survey sponsors, Microsoft and Asobo were not among them. Laminar and Lockheed-Martin, however, were indeed sponsors of the survey.

 

Don't think the survey is/was bias. I wonder how far off that 2.6% of X-Box users are off. That seems very low!

[Krakin 5,893]

6 minutes ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Don't think the survey is/was bias.

It's just something people who have a hard time facing reality like to say. As you pointed out, barely anyone from the xbox crowd took the survey so things could have been way worse for the gap between MSFS and their favorie sims.

Edited December 27, 2023 by Krakin

[David Mills 4,774]

7 minutes ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Don't think the survey is/was bias. I wonder how far off that 2.6% of X-Box users are off. That seems very low!

I agree. I doubt that many XBox users were even on the Navigraph mailing list. The number of MSFS users is certainly under-reported in the survey.

[carlanthony24 583]

I can think of one person who was saying its biased towards MSFS same person who is so anti MSFS and loves P3D.

[David Mills 4,774]

I read one comment by an XP users (I think in this thread) giving instructions on how to vote more than once in the survey. So subtract 1 from the total of XP users. 

[UrgentSiesta 945]

1 hour ago, David Mills said:

I've seen some comments that the Navigraph survey was biased in favor of MSFS. But when looking at a list of survey sponsors, Microsoft and Asobo were not among them. Laminar and Lockheed-Martin, however, were indeed sponsors of the survey.

 

I don't think it's biased in any intentional way. The only problem with it, as NG themselves note, is that the sample is neither random nor broad, and it's self-selecting for participation.

So, whoever used the term "biased" is wrong. "Skewed" is a much more accurate term for it, and it's an entirely natural result of the above. (E.g., Steam stats are heavily skewed as well, and for similar reasons)

I mean just the fact that the RTX 4090 is the most popular video card in this sample should be proof enough that we're dealing with a group of 23,000 "Super Fans" rather than a general cross section of the tens of millions of flight simmers whose entire flight sim rig costs less than a 4090...

At the end of the day, NG states that they can't confirm their sample is representative of anything more than the 24,000 respondents and so won't draw conclusions about the larger population. Which is entirely correct and important to say. 

Doesn't decrease the value of the survey or anything within as long as WE don't get too carried away with projecting our own biases. 

[UrgentSiesta 945]

1 hour ago, David Mills said:

I read one comment by an XP users (I think in this thread) giving instructions on how to vote more than once in the survey. So subtract 1 from the total of XP users. 

Because of my day job, I know how the tech works. Doesn't mean I'd cheat the results, because unlike many, my sense of self worth has nothing to do with any of the nearly half dozen flight sims I use.

Edited December 27, 2023 by UrgentSiesta

[Greazer 1,353]

What we know is if Goran starts posting in Microsoft forums then something is Bad news for X Plane.

Edited December 27, 2023 by Greazer

[GoranM 3,811]

1 hour ago, Greazer said:

What we know is if Goran starts posting in Microsoft forums then something is Bad news for X Plane.

I’m flattered you think I have that much influence, or you can gauge a products future based on what and where I post, but nah.

Still waiting on that quote from Austin.

Edited December 27, 2023 by GoranM

[jarmstro 2,406]

22 minutes ago, Greazer said:

What we know is if Goran starts posting in Microsoft forums then something is Bad news for X Plane.

A foresight is upon me. I'm betting on a Saab 340 coming to this sim in the not too distant future.😀

[GoranM 3,811]

3 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

A foresight is upon me. I'm betting on a Saab 340 coming to this sim in the not too distant future.😀

Hey, it’s a 100% possibility. 

[Krakin 5,893]

You know what's funny? Some of the more zealous XP users will roll their eyes and say, "yes, yes, we all know MSFS has the biggest market" but anytime evidence of that comes out, for some reason they have to come in and try to downplay it. What's the point if they are willing to acknowledge the bigger market share?