First thing I'll do is spin it, see what happens 😁.

I have seen the video and it´s a cute little plane for relaxed instrument flying while listening to audiobooks 🙂

On 2/15/2024 at 2:25 PM, F737MAX said:

We know A2A raised the bar with their Piper. It appears that Just Flight are keen to show us how good they are with theirs.

The Tomahawk will feature:

• interactive walkaround mode
• an EFB containing clickspots to various exterior views of the aircraft
• an EFB compatible with Navigraph and SimBrief
• simulation of wear and tear

JustFlight make some excellent add-ons, and their quality is steadily rising.

But the things listed above aren't even close to what makes A2A Sims add-ons stand above the rest.

Spent quite a few hours in this plane during my PPL training back in the day. Great memories, it’ll be very hard not to buy this one!

The Just Flight PA38 in XP11, made by thranda, was one of those very rare simulated aircraft which to me felt exactly like flying a real aircraft.

I’m looking forward to reliving my misspent youth flying this around.

It was the aircraft I trained on too, back in 1982. I remember having spin competitions in it against my instructor, to see who could recover closest in line with the Norwich to Great Yarmouth rail track. I only recall the experience as being unremarkable and rather predictable, so was surprised to later learn it had something of a bad reputation.

We always initiated the stalls/spins from 4000ft agl, so had plenty of air beneath us. My main memories are the incessant shrieking of the stall warning and the anticipation of the wing stalling with full rudder, and the pretty steep nose down attitude once you'd recovered from the spin! You had to be quite quick to pull the nose up as the speed would increase quite quickly.

Sooo, for a nostalgia ride, I'm really looking forward to this bird! Once I've purchased MSFS, which will be immediately upon arrival of my new PC in two weeks time...ish!

🙂👍 Double post 

Edited April 22, 20242 yr by MrBitstFlyer

This is one of the Tomahawks I trained on at Panshanger in the UK. Calling @ryanbatc 👍🙂

1 hour ago, norfolkmike said:

It was the aircraft I trained on too, back in 1982. I remember having spin competitions in it against my instructor, to see who could recover closest in line with the Norwich to Great Yarmouth rail track. I only recall the experience as being unremarkable and rather predictable, so was surprised to later learn it had something of a bad reputation.

We always initiated the stalls/spins from 4000ft agl, so had plenty of air beneath us. My main memories are the incessant shrieking of the stall warning and the anticipation of the wing stalling with full rudder, and the pretty steep nose down attitude once you'd recovered from the spin! You had to be quite quick to pull the nose up as the speed would increase quite quickly.

Sooo, for a nostalgia ride, I'm really looking forward to this bird! Once I've purchased MSFS, which will be immediately upon arrival of my new PC in two weeks time...ish!

Still see them up every flyable day, 2 based at my airfield. I think the reputation is more from people who havn't actually flown one but like repeating Tales from the Hangar.

21 minutes ago, Lonesome Cowboy Burt said:

Still see them up every flyable day, 2 based at my airfield. I think the reputation is more from people who havn't actually flown one but like repeating Tales from the Hangar.

Short answer, no.

Longer answer below, sorry for wall of text (pasted from https://www.pilotmall.com/blogs/news/piper-tomahawk-pa-38-everything-you-need-to-know )

"An unfortunate saga in the Tomahawk’s story is the controversy surrounding its wings. Following a March 1994 dual fatality Tomahawk crash, the NTSB investigation revealed that there were

“--reports of significant differences in the stall characteristics between the certification-tested airplane and the production airplanes.”

They also discovered that the certification flight testing report did not show any record of turning flight stalls with extended flaps or accelerated stalls with both flap configurations ever having been tested.

After checking the records, the NTSB found that the certification testing was all done on a single pre-production aircraft and that multiple test pilots agreed that production Tomahawks were

“nothing like the article certified as far as stall characteristics are concerned.”

A Piper engineer testified that

“--shortly after delivery of production airplanes began, owners and operators of the airplane complained that the lateral directional characteristics at the stall were abrupt and unpredictable, and that the airplane exhibited a rapid roll as the stall occurred.”

Piper responded in 1979 by modifying the wing to add two additional stall strips to the existing two stall strips. This modification resulted in the issuance of AD 83-14-08, however apparently the FAA was not involved in any of the testing of the new modifications.

According to the NTSB report, a Swedish National Aeronautics Board Investigation Commission conducted their own study after a 1979 stall/spin training accident fatality and they concluded that the Tomahawk

“--did not meet the 14 CFR Part 23 certification requirements for wings-level stall characteristics.”

This outcome was the same for both the two-stall strip and the four-stall strip configurations."

Something just wasn't right how testing was conducted. 

Never flown a PA38, all aerobatics is in a CAP10.

Never seemed to be a thing here in the UK, different training regime perhaps

 

1 hour ago, SAS443 said:

Short answer, no.

Longer answer below, sorry for wall of text (pasted from https://www.pilotmall.com/blogs/news/piper-tomahawk-pa-38-everything-you-need-to-know )

"An unfortunate saga in the Tomahawk’s story is the controversy surrounding its wings. Following a March 1994 dual fatality Tomahawk crash, the NTSB investigation revealed that there were

“--reports of significant differences in the stall characteristics between the certification-tested airplane and the production airplanes.”

They also discovered that the certification flight testing report did not show any record of turning flight stalls with extended flaps or accelerated stalls with both flap configurations ever having been tested.

After checking the records, the NTSB found that the certification testing was all done on a single pre-production aircraft and that multiple test pilots agreed that production Tomahawks were

“nothing like the article certified as far as stall characteristics are concerned.”

A Piper engineer testified that

“--shortly after delivery of production airplanes began, owners and operators of the airplane complained that the lateral directional characteristics at the stall were abrupt and unpredictable, and that the airplane exhibited a rapid roll as the stall occurred.”

Piper responded in 1979 by modifying the wing to add two additional stall strips to the existing two stall strips. This modification resulted in the issuance of AD 83-14-08, however apparently the FAA was not involved in any of the testing of the new modifications.

According to the NTSB report, a Swedish National Aeronautics Board Investigation Commission conducted their own study after a 1979 stall/spin training accident fatality and they concluded that the Tomahawk

“--did not meet the 14 CFR Part 23 certification requirements for wings-level stall characteristics.”

This outcome was the same for both the two-stall strip and the four-stall strip configurations."

Something just wasn't right how testing was conducted. 

Never flown a PA38, all aerobatics is in a CAP10.

I personally knew two CFIs that got killed in that aircraft, one of them with his wife. I stayed far away from it. 

This video shows the tail oscillations that some Tomahawks suffered from during the stall/spin. It was accompanied by "oilcanning" - a loud metallic noise during the spin which frightened the word not allowed out of me!

Far from a "killer aircraft" but one that demanded respect in the stall spin regime.

 

Edited April 22, 20242 yr by Vel

On 2/16/2024 at 1:42 PM, jon b said:

And I hope (seriously) that they’ve included the sound of the tail plane banging as it gets buffeted in the stall.A  terrifying noise, like someone throwing a dustbin down the road, but very much an integral part of the tomahawk’s character.

In the YouTube sounds video , there it is at 15:15 ! Excellent!

Releasing Thursday 4/25 per Final Development Update just posted on JustFlight's site:

https://www.justflight.com/in-development/pa38-tomahawk-microsoft-flight-simulator#entry20240423