GSX V3.1.4 - Water and Lavatory Update

[Tuskin38]

 

[peloto]

In VR this addon gives me problems with the GSX window closing itself each time I select something, and weird because the windows disappear but the GSX button in the MSFS up bar is still like pressed and like when showing the GSX windows or any other in that bar, and giving more bad performance I think, because also then is always open in 2D itself when I go out of VR, and I never opened in 2D or closed before going to VR.

[VeryBumpy]

Long time coming but kind of a meh upgrade. Would of preferred to get the low wing refueling trucks first.....

[virtuali]

1 hour ago, peloto said:

In VR this addon gives me problems with the GSX window closing itself each time I select something, and weird because the windows disappear but the GSX button in the MSFS up bar is still like pressed and like when showing the GSX windows or any other in that bar, and giving more bad performance I think, because also then is always open in 2D itself when I go out of VR, and I never opened in 2D or closed before going to VR.

That's how the GSX menu is supposed to work and always worked: it stay on screen only for the time strictly necessary to give an input, without taking any space and (most importantly) without stealing keys from the sim for any longer than strictly required.

Fact it stays hidden and not fully disabled when you close it is also normally and fully documented, and it's caused by MSFS killing the Toolbar menu code immediately as soon it's closed.

It's not a GSX only issue, take the Navigraph panel, for example, which can be opened and closed with an hotkey but it works only if you keep it active, if it's fully closed, it won't respond to the hotkey anymore until you open it again and close it with the hotkey, so the code that handles the hotkey is still running, same as GSX.

There are some addons that did some workarounds to prevent this, but it requires to modify the stock code of the Toolbar, which we rather not doing, because we don't want to touch any stock files in the sim.

[virtuali]

1 hour ago, VeryBumpy said:

Long time coming but kind of a meh upgrade. Would of preferred to get the low wing refueling trucks first.....

Everybody has its own personal idea what should come first. Fact is, it's the first time in many years since we added a new service to GSX. Even remote Deicing or Reverse Pushback or even Seated Passengers were improvements on services that has been there forever, but this is the first new service since probably 2012. But of course, not everybody sees things in the same way.

Fact is, the MSFS 2024 SDK release date is getting closer, so we can't launch ourselves into big updates right now, without knowing exactly what kind of changes (or even new possibilities ) it will require, so we can't just stuck into months-long updates right now. Of course, as soon as we know more, we'll have a more clear direction. Surely, we are working on replacing vehicles that are starting to look a bit old, since modeling is modeling, so it's surely not a wasted effort, no matter the sim.

Edited September 14 by virtuali

[speedyTC]

Neat.

Just an observation: The lavatory services operator should really be wearing gloves. You don't want any of the input/output liquids on you!

[peloto]

52 minutes ago, virtuali said:

That's how the GSX menu is supposed to work and always worked: it stay on screen only for the time strictly necessary to give an input, without taking any space and (most importantly) without stealing keys from the sim for any longer than strictly required.

Fact it stays hidden and not fully disabled when you close it is also normally and fully documented, and it's caused by MSFS killing the Toolbar menu code immediately as soon it's closed.

It's not a GSX only issue, take the Navigraph panel, for example, which can be opened and closed with an hotkey but it works only if you keep it active, if it's fully closed, it won't respond to the hotkey anymore until you open it again and close it with the hotkey, so the code that handles the hotkey is still running, same as GSX.

There are some addons that did some workarounds to prevent this, but it requires to modify the stock code of the Toolbar, which we rather not doing, because we don't want to touch any stock files in the sim.

Oh no, that not happens in other up bar tabs, and I usually need do more than one input in the GSX window, and each input I have to go to the up bar again and again to press it two times for the GSX window appear again, and I press one time and it disappear again, it is really annoy like no other addon in the upper bar till now haha, I never had this problem with the Navigraph toolbar and its window in VR or 2D.

The best is leave it open and I can drag it in some place in the VR cabin where even I do not watch it, and close it when I want, and that it self not close automatically, like always I do with other tabs, or to have that behaviour option in settings to choose, thanks.

Thanks for this great addon and for the explicative response, it gives live to the Sim.

Edited September 14 by peloto

[Fielder]

50 minutes ago, speedyTC said:

Neat.

Just an observation: The lavatory services operator should really be wearing gloves. You don't want any of the input/output liquids on you!

Attention! Inspection time!

[CoolDude]

Much appreciated. Are you also working on seated passengers support for the Fenix A321?

[rick celik]

29 minutes ago, CoolDude said:

Much appreciated. Are you also working on seated passengers support for the Fenix A321?

Waiting on this too!

[mwilk]

2 hours ago, speedyTC said:

Neat.

Just an observation: The lavatory services operator should really be wearing gloves. You don't want any of the input/output liquids on you!

Having dumped lavs more times than I care to remember, there comes a point where even gloves won’t save you. 😂😂😂

[B777ER]

I’d rather they implement wing walkers which have been missing for far too long than lav and water stuff.

[SN737]

I'd rather have the Left Entry FWD GSX Stair not appear nor connect when I have my PMDG 737 airstair already deployed and door opened. Before today's update this was working ok, now it's not. Always 1 step forward and 3 backwards with this add-on.

Less is more sometimes. A shame.

[virtuali]

5 hours ago, SN737 said:

I'd rather have the Left Entry FWD GSX Stair not appear nor connect when I have my PMDG 737 airstair already deployed and door opened. Before today's update this was working ok, now it's not. Always 1 step forward and 3 backwards with this add-on.

Less is more sometimes. A shame.

Nothing changed in this update in the way the Embedded stairs are handled, it works exactly as before:

- Before departure, you must extend the Airstair before calling GSX for any operation, that is before GSX vehicles appear around you, because the decision to spawn front stair is made after checking if the Airstair has extended. Same as before.

- On arrival, you can't basically use the Airstairs, unless you are parking using a 3rd party method (like a non-GSX VGDS), so you don't need to select the gate in GSX after landing, then set brakes, turn engines off, extend the Airstairs and then call GSX. If you want to use a GSX parking system on arrival, you can't use the Airstair, because as soon you select a gate, the front stair would be already there, because the airstair wasn't extended while you were taxiing to the gate.

Note that, there's a workaround for this as well, you still can select the gate with GSX on arrival and use the Airstairs, by doing this:

- Select the gate on landing and park the airplane normally using GSX indications. GSX stairs will be there, but they are not moving yet.

- Set parking brakes, turn engines off and extend the Airstairs

- Select "Reset position" from GSX menu (or "Restart Couatl")

- Call GSX again, and select Deboarding. Since your Airstair is already extended now, the condition will work and GSX Front stairs won't be created.

Again, this was exactly as before and yes, the arrival behavior should be improved, because what we really need to do, is to send away a GSX staircase that has already been created in case your Airstairs are extended before the GSX stairs starts to move.

However, this is an issue that stems by the fact the Airstairs in the default GSX profile for the PMDG 737 has been configured (they always have) as a CONDITIONAL Embedded staircase (GSX Manual Page 70), which that can be used or not depending on some condition, in this case the PMDG Airstair LVar.

If you change it to a regular non-conditional one, which is done by removing the custom XML string in the Embedded stair editing field, it won't be conditional anymore, so it will always assumed to be used, without having to worry when you need to extend it.

This can be combined with the Airframe specific Configurations so, for example, if you want to simulate an airline that always uses Airstairs, you can create an airframe-specific GSX.CFG file with a non-conditional Embedded stair for selected airframes, so the usage of the Airstairs will always be assumed, but for that airframe only.

Again, none of this has changed with this update, it always has been like this, which doesn't mean there's no room to improve the CONDITIONAL Airstairs behavior, which we'll surely do, because it IS in the very long list of planned updates.

Edited September 14 by virtuali

[AnkH]

Or, just as an Idea: when you select GSX the first time or after landing, a nice GUI pops up with your airplane and all doors and services possible and you select the services you want directly on the GUI and klick «start services». Similar to the aircraft config window we get when configuring the aircraft or parking spot. You could still have a «default» service config per plane allowing to instantly select «start services». This would then also be 2024-like, not the 1990-like text based GSX control menue we have now 🤣